Spoiler-heavy Inception thread, Part 2

[hurricanesmith]

I locked the other one early because that ending was too perfect to mess up.

HS

[lazarus]

Nolan Speaks:

http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/tt/...istopher_nolan


Maybe people can give that a listen first before we continue...

[erikdean]

I loved the dogshit out of this.

What an extraordinary feat of writing, directing and editing. I loved that Nolan didn't feel the need to over-explain how everyone is hooked up to the dream machine with a simple tube (is it intravenous, sensory?) because the technology didn't matter.

Tom Hardy and JGL would make an adorable couple.

I even liked Ellen Page, for the first time?

Also, Haha, please go fuck yourself into Limbo.

[lazarus]

LOL at that last line, Erik.

[AllThisAndMrCecilToo]

And yes to the first four.

I think Edelstein compared the film unfavorably to Minority Report. I don't know, I think I liked Inception quite a bit better. The ending for one thing was much superior to Spielberg's treacle.

I don't really have too much sympathy with the complaint that the dreamscapes are action-oriented, which just seems to me another way of attacking the summer blockbuster. I'll have to start a dream journal, I guess, but I don't believe all dreams are about floating through marmalade skies, or what have you. It seems to me Nolan found a great way of giving us an action film that has something else going on as well. All the critics who gave this a 50, a 40, a 30, a 20, should be condemned to watching a repetitive week-long marathon double feature of The A-Team and The Expendables.

[erikdean]

Yeah, I don't get that criticism either. I thought Nolan tapped into what many people remember from their dreams and that the falling aspect is such a universal waker-upper.

I'm just still amazed at how well-constructed this was; I always felt glued to the screen but never left behind or confused.

[Artimus]

The film is almost always (always?) from the POV of someone consciously entering a dream, so them seeing a fairly logical interpretation of that dream is not surprising. I also think there's a strong implication that these induced dreams are not identical to naturally occurring ones.

[Vizion]

Originally Posted by Artimus

The film is almost always (always?) from the POV of someone consciously entering a dream, so them seeing a fairly logical interpretation of that dream is not surprising. I also think there's a strong implication that these induced dreams are not identical to naturally occurring ones.

Care to elaborate on this opinion? I think the "dreams are way too logical/analytical" complaint is the one I've seen the most from those that didn't like the film.

[Artimus]

None of the dreams are actually middle of the night dreams. They're all induced and controlled by the other people. Only Cobb's is his own dream and he's an expert.

[lazarus]

We've talked about this in the last thread, but the main point is that these aren't people's own dreams, but ones being engineered by "architects" like Page's character that are meant to be easily-navigated by the team's operatives.

Also, a point I was trying to make was that these detractors act like every dream people have is psychedelic in nature when many are actually mundane and simply feature overlapping places and people we know.

Either way you want to defend it, Nolan hasn't done anything unrealistic.

[AllThisAndMrCecilToo]

Well, they are designed, aren't they? Designed with specific purposes in mind.

Though what I recall of my dreams they usually seem to have a logical story line. But then I'm that sort of person, I suspect.

[AllThisAndMrCecilToo]

Originally Posted by Artimus

None of the dreams are actually middle of the night dreams. They're all induced and controlled by the other people. Only Cobb's is his own dream and he's an expert.

There was some symbolism with the last will and testament and pinwheel in the safe, but the critics have said that was too simplistic. Also they're pissy there wasn't any sex. Maybe Nolan should have had Leo's train go through Marion's tunnel a few times.

[erikdean]

Originally Posted by AllThisAndMrCecilToo

There was some symbolism with the last will and testament and pinwheel in the safe, but the critics have said that was too simplistic. Also they're pissy there wasn't any sex. Maybe Nolan should have had Leo's train go through Marion's tunnel a few times.

I was rather fine with Hardy showing Levitt his bigger gun. But like, he could have let him hold it.

[AllThisAndMrCecilToo]

Originally Posted by ErikDean

I was rather fine with Hardy showing Levitt his bigger gun. But like, he could have let him hold it.

Hardy's gun was humongous.

I knew this film had me from the moment that bit, with the tag line, was shown in the trailer. I loved how Hardy kept repartee-ing JGL--something went down with those two!

[Artimus]

Dreams always make sense when you're dreaming, after all.