Lawrence or Riva (or Chastain!): Who Will Win?

[moviewatcher]

Football (soccer)
American Football
Rugby

They're different...

[dlong5665]

I prefer Hockey.

[faina]

LMFAO, the state of this race is telling when you have 5 pages of the thread dedicated to sports.

[moviewatcher]

LMFAO, the state of this race is telling when you have 5 pages of the thread dedicated to sports.

Hey, at least people they ain't actressing!!!

[Eduardo Zuckerberg]

We call "football" soccer here in NZ

[Souler]

We call "football" soccer here in NZ

Well, you should feel bad about that.

[Yuna]

We call "football" soccer here in NZ

Yeah, but you've also named yourselves after a fruit, so...

[moviewatcher]

Yeah, but you've also named yourselves after a fruit, so...

Ouch!

[guany]

Hiroshima mon amour (1959) is a groundbreaking portrait of a world come undone. Even more memorably, thanks to the brilliant precision of Emmanuelle Riva’s performance, it’s a study of a woman unraveling. In this first leading role in an astonishing cinematic career that’s led all the way to another Amour, Michael Haneke’s intimate 2012 drama (for which the eighty-five-year-old actor has been nominated for an Oscar), Riva overwhelms the frame. It’s a riveting, multifaceted performance, and it is responsible for much of the emotional heft of Resnais’ dramatic narrative debut. In a work that has no shortage of startling imagery, the range of feelings that run across Riva’s face is perhaps the most unforgettable element. She is so central to the texture of the film’s aesthetic that, on its release, critic Jean Domarchi said, “In a sense,Hiroshima is a documentary on Emmanuelle Riva.”

http://www.criterion.com/current/pos...hima-mon-amour

[Dots]

Riva gave the best performance. It's her Oscar imo.

[electric_storm]

I'm lifting what I wrote on IMDB:

After having finally seen "Amour", I feel fairly confident now in my prediction that Lawrence will win this. I think seeing it drove home what an incredibly idiosyncratic pick this would be for the Academy. The film is moving and classical enough in its storytelling to not alienate too many viewers but still extremely harrowing, slow moving and, yeah, subtitled. I have serious doubts about how many members will actually sit through this. Obviously a passionate minority did in order to secure the nominations but I imagine alot of on the fence voters who have been swayed by recent buzz to give it a go will not stick this one out. Which is a problem, as most of Riva's more impressive scenes come toward the mid to latter part of the film (namely the scene where she tries to talk to her daughter).

As for this whole "anyone who does see it will vote for her" meme, well, it's a terrific performance but one which is almost entirely conveyed in the face, and it's very reserved, internal work. She is also probably only in her film a relatively equal amount to Lawrence, so I don't see this having an undeniable effect like a Cotillard did. Personally speaking I was impressed but I think alot of the hyperbole comes from the nature of the role and I'd still pick Chastain of the nominees.

Basically I just struggle to see an Academy that squirmed at the prospect of even nominating former winner and English language speaker Tilda Swinton last year for that particular film then awarding this.

[Sliced Peach]

Look, I love emanuelle riva in amour and Hiroshima but that criterion review mentioning her "astonishing cinematic career" is such bullshit LMAO. Riva herself has said that most of her work was in theatre and not film.

[Luc]

Emmanuelle did have a captivating/convincing performance, but I think that from the noms I'd still pick Lawrence. I haven't watched The Impossible yet, though.

Today I dreamed that I was watching it and Naomi instantly became my favorite for some reason.

[Moviefreak]

I'm lifting what I wrote on IMDB:

After having finally seen "Amour", I feel fairly confident now in my prediction that Lawrence will win this. I think seeing it drove home what an incredibly idiosyncratic pick this would be for the Academy. The film is moving and classical enough in its storytelling to not alienate too many viewers but still extremely harrowing, slow moving and, yeah, subtitled. I have serious doubts about how many members will actually sit through this. Obviously a passionate minority did in order to secure the nominations but I imagine alot of on the fence voters who have been swayed by recent buzz to give it a go will not stick this one out. Which is a problem, as most of Riva's more impressive scenes come toward the mid to latter part of the film (namely the scene where she tries to talk to her daughter).

As for this whole "anyone who does see it will vote for her" meme, well, it's a terrific performance but one which is almost entirely conveyed in the face, and it's very reserved, internal work. She is also probably only in her film a relatively equal amount to Lawrence, so I don't see this having an undeniable effect like a Cotillard did. Personally speaking I was impressed but I think alot of the hyperbole comes from the nature of the role and I'd still pick Chastain of the nominees.

Basically I just struggle to see an Academy that squirmed at the prospect of even nominating former winner and English language speaker Tilda Swinton last year for that particular film then awarding this.

Ultimately, I don't think Riva will win, but I wouldn't necessarily call her work here reserved and internal. Sure, it's not a performance full of histrionics or plate-smashing, but I think hers is easily the baitiest role of the group. I still think that if this were an English language film, she would be winning with ease.

Also, I don't think Riva and Amour can be compared to Tilda and We Need to Talk About Kevin like at all.

[electric_storm]

I would not be shocked at all to be told that Watts came 2nd actually, there's seems to be a bizzarely large amount of support behind her this year (where was this in 2001, 2005 or 2006? )

[electric_storm]

Ultimately, I don't think Riva will win, but I wouldn't necessarily call her work here reserved and internal. Sure, it's not a performance full of histrionics or plate-smashing, but I think hers is easily the baitiest role of the group. I still think that if this were an English language film, she would be winning with ease.

Also, I don't think Riva and Amour can be compared to Tilda and We Need to Talk About Kevin like at all.

The role maybe, but not really this particular take on it. She has a couple of very baity scenes, but the vast majority of her performance is in the subtle reaction shots and gathering torment in her face. Meanwhile Lawrence or Watts' performances are like Oscar clips piled on top of each other. And even if this was in English I think her lack of visibility and age going up against a Hollywood starlet would still be massively detrimental. I can only liken it to Swank vs Staunton in that sense.

I don't think this film or performance are that comparable to Swinton's but in does speak to how limited their appreciation can be for anything challenging. "Amour" at least has a strong subset of supporters that that film didn't, but it's still no concensus favourite.

[Moviefreak]

A completely subtle take on a similar situation would be Julie Christie in Away from Her. Riva, on the other hand, had her fair share of physicality, facial contortions and slurred speech. I still think that Lawrence will win this, but the race is a lot closer than you're making it out to be. Riva has a lot of buzz and a lot of support.

[electric_storm]

A completely subtle take on a similar situation would be Julie Christie in Away from Her. Riva, on the other hand, had her fair share of physicality, facial contortions and slurred speech. I still think that Lawrence will win this, but the race is a lot closer than you're making it out to be. Riva has a lot of buzz and a lot of support.

I think it's close enough that I consider her winning a distinct possibility. The biggest thing in Riva's favor imo is that she has the trendy factor right now surprisingly. She's the daring pick with an actual shot that makes voters feel good about their choice and feel that they're voting for a "story". I even think alot of those voters who can't be bothered actually watching the movie will still vote for her because it reflects well on them and the Academy to support something like this.

[affy18]

Legend Riva and Savior Chastain are the only acceptable choices in this lineup.

Let us all rejoice for them!

[bryan1311]

Legend Riva and Savior Chastain are the only acceptable choices in this lineup.

Let us all rejoice for them!

Indeed.

Also, I'm sure this has been mentioned, but Riva's birthday is on Oscar Sunday?!