Tilda Swinton vs. Marion Cotillard - Worst snub

[filmy]

I would like to settle this: Swinton was infinitely more surprising a snub. She had everything and the category seemed set. Nobody cared about Mara throughout the awards season, and she somehow was nominated without the film in Best Picture. It is truly the most bizarre nomination I can think of in recent years when you look at how the film performed. Sure, Kevin's grim. But Swinton campaigned(!), went everywhere, and actually had a campaign set for her. The snub makes sense in some ways, when divorced from the reality of the year and the limited options.

Meanwhile, aside from Lawrence and Chastain, this year's category was always in flux, and Riva, another foreign language performance, was in contention for a much better seen film. To me, she was never in as strong as position as Swinton ever was, mostly because of the category's competition this year.

[crazyfists3600]

MEH, I called the Swinton snub and I think it was pretty easy to call. You had the first timer rule, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo gaining momentum at the right time (a week or two earlier and it would have gotten in with Picture and Director as well) and there was no way Close was getting the snub. Swinton was in a prickly film playing a prickly character and despite hitting all the right precursors she was the easiest to snub since she wasn't going to win and she wasn't Oscar hungry.

[filmy]

MEH, I called the Swinton snub and I think it was pretty easy to call. You had the first timer rule, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo gaining momentum at the right time (a week or two earlier and it would have gotten in with Picture and Director as well) and there was no way Close was getting the snub. Swinton was in a prickly film playing a prickly character and despite hitting all the right precursors she was the easiest to snub since she wasn't going to win and she wasn't Oscar hungry.

Most people suggested that if anyone fell, it would be Close, right before the nominations. (Check the final poll. It's saved: http://awardsdailyforums.com/showthr...ish-Are-Coming!) But the category seemed set.

Nearly everyone acknowledged that Cotillard and Watts were on shaky ground. People had all sorts of combinations for the category.

Mara without the film is inexplicable.

[Moviefreak]

I would like to settle this: Swinton was infinitely more surprising a snub. She had everything and the category seemed set. Nobody cared about Mara throughout the awards season, and she somehow was nominated without the film in Best Picture. It is truly the most bizarre nomination I can think of in recent years when you look at how the film performed. Sure, Kevin's grim. But Swinton campaigned(!), went everywhere, and actually had a campaign set for her. The snub makes sense in some ways, when divorced from the reality of the year and the limited options.

Meanwhile, aside from Lawrence and Chastain, this year's category was always in flux, and Riva, another foreign language performance, was in contention for a much better seen film. To me, she was never in as strong as position as Swinton ever was, mostly because of the category's competition this year.

True, but Swinton's film was just something that the AMPAS would never, ever touch. I knew it the minute I saw it, but the precursor's duped me into believing otherwise and it turns out I was right. And maybe Tilda campaigned, but not to the extent that Marion did. I think that a big reason as to why some people think that Tilda's snub was more surprising is because that was the first time ever that someone missed after hitting all the major televised precursors. For Marion, there was already a precedent. I'm positive that if Swinton had not missed last year, Marion's snub would have been utterly shocking. I still think, just looking at the two actresses and their performances, Marion is the more popular, Hollywood star, campaigned harder, had a better studio and the more Academy-friendly film/role. So, despite this being a more competitive year, I still think her snub is worse in that regard.

But ultimately, while they are surprising, both of these snubs make sense in retrospect.

[Moviefreak]

Most people suggested that if anyone fell, it would be Close, right before the nominations. (Check the final poll. It's saved: http://awardsdailyforums.com/showthr...ish-Are-Coming!) But the category seemed set.

Nearly everyone acknowledged that Cotillard and Watts were on shaky ground. People had all sorts of combinations for the category.

Mara without the film is inexplicable.

I think more than anything this was a case of wishful thinking. Close, with that role and that narrative, was never going to miss. She just has way too many friends in Hollywood to get snub for this sort of baity project.

While, Cotillard and Watts were somewhat shaky, I think after BAFTA, pretty much everyone thought Marion was safe.

[filmy]

I think more than anything this was a case of wishful thinking. Close, with that role and that narrative, was never going to miss. She just has way too many friends in Hollywood to get snub for this sort of baity project.

While, Cotillard and Watts were somewhat shaky, I think after BAFTA, pretty much everyone thought Marion was safe.

You have some gems in both years' final actress threads, LOL.

Anyway, I think we're getting the most predictable five. Rooney Mara isn't getting nominated for an Oscar with only a GG Drama nomination.

To me:

Helen Mirren with GG, SAG and BAFTA nominations missing out to a French actress in a Michael Haneke film? That's not happening. She isn't Leonardo DiCaprio.

(Helen Mirren is Leonardo DiCaprio! What about poor Mirren! She should be an option in this poll, obviously.)

[camille]

Tilda because she is the greater actress and probably also because of NBR win...

[Moviefreak]

You have some gems in both years' final actress threads, LOL.



To me:



(Helen Mirren is Leonardo DiCaprio! What about poor Mirren! She should be an option in this poll, obviously.)

But seriously, that's a good point. I actually think the Helen Mirren snub is much more surprising than Marion's.

[Zuranthium]

Well this is extremely hard.

Both definitely deserved nominations and both were overdue for nominations.

I have to go with Tilda because the performance is more complete. Marion's character in Rust and Bone felt like it was missing a scene between the accident and her journey to the beach.

Tilda's snub was definitely more surprising, btw. Rooney Mara being an Oscar nominee and being heralded so quickly as some kind of Godsend to acting/movies is crazy and bizarre. The only notable thing she did before Dragon Tattoo was a small, okay performance in The Social Network, plus her Dragon Tattoo performance itself was not amazing and even specifically seen as inferior, by some people, to Noomi Rapace's in the Swedish version of the film. I don't get it.

[Ben7]

I say Swinton because I felt like Cotillard's win was deserving, but I would not have nominated any of her performances since. Someone in the Best Actress thread said that she had been snubbed for Public Enemies, Inception, and Nine, but really, she wouldn't even be in consideration for my ballot for any of those performances.

[Mika00]

It's very unfair (for me) because they were both my favorite performances in 2011 & 2012 respectively. I think it's a new kind of acting, I love it and I tell you, we will see more of it.
But I voted Marion because an actress emotionally & physically hitting her bottom + a LOT of Sex + disability + star power + "the promotion" (OK fine, the campaign), I really thought her nomination was in the bag since TIFF. (Just to show how wrong I was!)

[OscarLovesMe]

Oh Marion It would've been fabulous to see her at the Oscars this year. However, unlike other actresses with great performances like Riva and Wallis, she probably will get many other opportunities to get nominated.

And if they keep snubing her like that, they'll feel like they owe her another nomination anyways,

[Mika00]

I say Swinton because I felt like Cotillard's win was deserving, but I would not have nominated any of her performances since. Someone in the Best Actress thread said that she had been snubbed for Public Enemies, Inception, and Nine, but really, she wouldn't even be in consideration for my ballot for any of those performances.

I would've consider her for Nine (in Supporting) & Midnight in Paris (Her best performance in English so far).

[Jali]

Tilda Swinton. When I saw R&B I didn't have any doubt Marion Cotillard wasn't going to get nominated for that NADA performance. But then she was nominated for SAG, Bafta, etc, and I changed my mind, but I was right since the beginning in thinking her performance wasn't Oscar material.

[boondoggle]

Tilda Swinton. When I saw R&B I didn't have any doubt Marion Cotillard wasn't going to get nominated for that NADA performance. But then she was nominated for SAG, Bafta, etc, and I changed my mind, but I was right since the beginning in thinking her performance wasn't Oscar material.

To be honest neither performance impressed me, but if I had to choice it would be Swinton. Both of their snubs are really interesting and also who they ended up getting knocked out for. Honestly with the compressed timeline with the precursors may reflect the race before AMPAS voting for nominations actually begins and when voting begins the race may have changed, but often times us prognosticators have a hard to gauging AMPAS sentiments at the time so we rely on the precursors a little to heavily. This year, I was suprised Cotillard was snubbed, but not shocked as most would say only Chastain and Lawrence were locked. Someone before I think Moviefreak brought up a stat that no foreign language preformance nominated for SAG has missed, well till now.

This is interesting and reveals part of the problem with SAG, GG and lesser extent BFCA when predicting Oscars. There seems in the last couple years a divergence between Oscar and SAG, it seems SAG has gone a lot more mainstream and established star oriented than AMPAS. I hope it is a trend that continues. Also it seems that when SAG nom com is voting, campaigning by actors through screening and Q&As are very effective. This is probably why Kidman and Cotillard were nominated as they really like it when stars are willing to woo SAG voters. With AMPAS voting it occurs near X-mas and new years eve so there isn't a lot of campaigning so acting branch uses screeners to check out the performances. This could explain why Wallis and Riva got in because those are the types of performances that would generate passion rather than lazy name checking. The reason Cotillard was nominated at GG and not Wallis or Riva is obvious and not worth getting into. So while Cotillard had quartet of precursors BFCA/SAG/GG/BAFTA to guarantee her nomination, she just didn't have a performance that stood out or one that I think an actor would watch and be wowed by. She got the precursors because she is famous and campaigned for it, but when AMPAS watched the screnners they probably shrugged the performance off and she didn't get the needed #1 votes.

[McTeague]

but when AMPAS watched the screnners they probably shrugged the performance off and she didn't get the needed #1 votes.

That presumes they watched the screeners, which they probably didn’t.

If, as you say, AMPAS voting depends more on watching the screeners, then what came into play was what I predicted all year to happen: “um… what do I pop up in the Blu player tonight… that Haneke movie everyone is talking about… this apparently charming and sentimental comedy about a paralysed man and his help… Django Unchained…? Wait, what’s this YET ANOTHER FRENCH MOVIE ABOUT DISABLED PEOPLE???? Like, who has time for three French movies about disabled people? Fuck it, I’ll watch the Haneke and maybe, if I have the time after watching Django, Miserables and Zero Dark Thirty, MAYBE, then I’ll watch Intouchables”.

Cotillard has been a default choice all season, lucking out at someone missing at every precursor (Wallis’ SAG ineligibility, Watt’s lack of UK campaign and even release of her film for BAFTA, Wallis’ and Riva’s lack of star power for Globes) but I was sure AMPAS would put her DVD screener at the bottom of the pile.

I have seen neither performance, but Swinton’s snub surprised me, whereas I predicted Cotillard’s snub.

[Mike Aiello]

The Academy had to pass on Tilda to make room for Glenn Close's fearless performance in Albert Nobbs so her absence was entirely understandable.

This is not true. Only on AD was Glenn Close's performance as Albert Nobbs so disliked...it received 3 Oscar nominations and Close hit practically every important precursor (along with McTeer). People liked the film (however inexplicable that may be). If anyone "snubbed" Tilda come Oscar time, it was Rooney Mara.

[jb]

This is not true. Only on AD was Glenn Close's performance as Albert Nobbs so disliked...it received 3 Oscar nominations and Close hit practically every important precursor (along with McTeer). People liked the film (however inexplicable that may be). If anyone "snubbed" Tilda come Oscar time, it was Rooney Mara.

I like this narrative even better. Mara is always messing things up.

[bluerose]

Nobody cared about Mara throughout the awards season.

I did Filmy

Like it or not AD but legend Mara is here to stay....she has a quiet but mesmerising power on screen



In regards to the topic I think Swinton was a bigger snub, for me it was her greatest performance in years

[oliksa]

I have to confess that Swinton totally blew me away with her performance.
Not a really big fan of Swinton, but this belongs to one of the best performances ever given by an actress.
Thank you, Tilda. Clear vote for you.