Yeah, but the lead campaign for Waltz wasn't really that comitted and most people wrote him off as a contender beforehand. If the film had come out earlier and Harvey had thrown his weight behind a firm lead campaign for Waltz, both him and DiCaprio (and maybe even Jackson?) could have soldified as surefire nominees early instead of how it ended up. Definitely not his finest hour (but hey, he got nearly half the acting noms anyway, so congrats I guess)Originally Posted by with_one_voice
It is a highlight of her performance just not as big a one as Idad.
Oh, ok, that's good to hear. I recently just heard someone compare Anne's performance to J-Hud's in another thread in that all it really is is one song and that's it. And from the original show's perspective, I don't feel that's how it should feel, if presented in the right way.
LOL, I have no idea why Harvey didn't put Waltz in lead. He easily could have promoted Waltz and Foxx as co-leads. That way he could have kicked Denzel out of lead with Waltz, and Leo would have been the front runner in supporting. Whether or not it was the most fair thing to do, it would have been the most strategically logical thing to do. Weird.
It feels like I can't even remember that Arkin was in Argo, but no way it was literally 10 minutes was it?GIve it up already. Waltz had no chance at lead actor. Why do think he's in supporting? Because he had a chance and did get nominate. Kick Denzel out.
LOL, don’t listen to filmy or other Miz hater in that regard. They just want to pretend Hathaway’s eventual award is absolutely undeserved. Of course Fantine is central in all of her scenes in the film too, that’s why she’s sweeping awards, and she’s even more central than in the show. Her “Come to Me” is devastating, more so than in the stage, and she’s WAY more central in the film during “Lovely Ladies” than in the stage. In the stage, Fantine is almost completely absent when the whores are singing, and she disappears to have her hair cut (she disappears and then appears again with the hair cut). Here you see everything from her perspective. It’s not that the whores appear and sing to the audience, no, you see the whores from Fantine’s POV and she’s centraul to that number all the time (plus, you see her actually having her hair cut, and also selling her teeth which is not in the show, but is in the novel). Hell, even in “At the End of the Day”, during the verse of that’s sung by all the factory workers, the camera is on her singing that verse with the other workers, whereas in the show it’s just a choral number in which Fantine is just another member.
Also, I don’t know how, with the screen times posted by Eternal (if they’re true), people can still argue Philip Seymour Hoffmann is a lead. I had never bought that, the story is absolutely told from Phoenix’ POV, and we hardly ever see PSH when Phoenix is not around, whereas we have lots and lots of scenes of just Phoenix (hell, PSH doesn’t even appear until we’re like, 20 or 25 minutes into the film). Seeing that the PSH screen time is nearly just half of Phoenix’ time confirms that he’s rightly considered supporting. No category fraud at all there, and no possibility of doubt about that.
Just saw SLP. How I wish this wasn't a DDL sweep year so Cooper stood a chanceSo so so good.
Believe it or not, 8 was not a record for him. It was exactly ten years ago. He had 3 horses in the BP with Chicago, gangs of New York, and The Hours...
and 10 acting noms:
Frida: Hayek
The Hours: Kidman, Moore, Harris
Chicago: Zellweger, Reilly, Zeta Jones, Latifah
Gangs of New York: DDL
Quiet American: Caine
So that's half of the 20 acting nominees with 2 in Actor, 3 in Actress, 2 in Supp Actor, and 3 in Supp Actress.
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Runtimes are here. Indiewire's "Who should win" series:
I can't help mistrusting those run times. There's no way Wallis only has 62 minutes when there are like, three minutes in which she's not in the screen and the movie doesn't last for 65 minutes.
He doesn't count time where the character is in the background. Chastain would have a lot more screen time if he did.
LMFAO, their hateful description of The Hathaway's performance is hilarious.
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Though Les Miserables is a turgid piece of shit and I think Anne Hathaway can be a miserably insufferable human being, I can divorce my feelings for the film and her from how I view her performance. She's okay. She doesn't deserve an Oscar.
Pretty much this.
I don't understand the praise Hathaway receives for that role? I think she is a fine actress (she's my winner in 08) but all Fantine does is cry and die. There is no development and I don't think there was anything there that made me feel sorry for the character.
But these are all shortcomings of the source material and not her performance.
Hathaway was good. The problem is there were better people this year, almost all of whom are also nominated.
Will Oscar have Riva Fever?
That's not what we're discussing. We were talking about her screentime and importance in the plot, because Blasty had been led to think by you that such importance and screentime had been trimmed, in relation to the stage show, by Hooper. It hasn't. Fantine's importance has been highlighted and she's even more clearly the focus of her segment than in the show. We were not talking about the quality of the performance. But it seems you can't stress anough how much you think she doesn't deserve an oscar that you have to mention it even when nobody asked that!
ETA: I'm still amazed at people saying they can't feel Fantine's plight because she's not developed as a character. So, if a person is not our best friend, we cannot feel empathy and sadness for someone who's fired, forced into prostitution and killed! Yay for your humanity, guys! Let them Ethiopians starve to death, I don't know them as characters, I don't feel for them!
Has Filmy become Anne's ldw?!?!
Will Oscar have Riva Fever?
Actually, you were the one who introduced the topic of whether or not I can appropriately judge Hathaway's worthiness with the following line: "They [filmy and so-called Les Miz haters] just want to pretend Hathaway’s eventual award is absolutely undeserved." I was responding to that.
She does not deserve it, and she is also largely not the focal point of even "her scenes" - as in, her plot is accelerated by what others do to her. Which is why she cries so much. Poor thing.
Yes, in the context of Blasty asking you about her importange in her segment. And it shows how biased you are that you say she's the focal point onlyy in I DReamed a dream. I'd like to kno who's the focal point in "Come to Me". Her pillow? This is like, again, biased people saying "Empty Chairs" is filmed in just two close ups, when it's filmed in five different shots including two long shots and a medium one. But thatr didn't fit into your narrative that Hooper films everything just in close-up so you (the ones who said it, not you "filmy") deleted it from your eyes and memory. That's what you're doing with Hathaway. You SO want to declare she's unworthy that you directly invent a different movie in which she apparently is always in the background, in a corner, when she's almost always front and center and in closeup, in Lovely Ladies, in Come to me and of course in I Dreamed a Dream.
I think we're now drifting into semantics about what background means here. Her character is BUILT upon her lack of agency and that she is overwhelmed and forced to submit to the power of outside forces to survive. She is not an agentive role, she is largely in the background of the film and her scenes -- she is an extreme, heightened example of the downtrodden and losing it all. As a result, she is also not necessarily "doing" much in her scenes, from her dying to her being tortured by randos on the street. Or crying and heaving. Regardless, this is pointless, since Anne Hathaway will win her Oscar.
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