A couple of years ago King's Speech hadn't won much, if anything, more than Lincoln has to this point. It was the frontrunner in nominations but hadn't won much beyond best Actor anywhere. I don't think Lincoln will sweep the Guilds, but I wasn't expecting TKS too at this point in 2011 either.Originally Posted by coldmess
If you mean Academy I doubt most people have it there. If you mean general audience it is not even subject matter as it has grossed more than 160 million ad counting.
Spielberg vs. the Industry. Who Will Win In The End?
Spielberg lost.
Like I'll never understand your love of Les Miserables? People love, what they love. The only difference is I don't think I attack anyone for their favorites the way so many do around here. But, then that's the AD way.
It is interesting how mediocre bore is one of the most influential events of past 15 years.
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Spielberg vs. the Industry. Who Will Win In The End?
Spielberg lost.
I think SPR is the better film between the two and I prefer it, but I couldn't help myself and was rooting for SiL (I mean, knowing Malick had no chance). SPR had this self-importance, this sense of "you just have to give it to me" (that Lincoln repeats now) that made it so hard to sympathize with it as an awards winner...
I remember 2011. I just don't see Lincoln beating SLP or Argo at most of the guilds, and (to me) it seems like a default choice.
How are these two situations even remotely comparable? If anything, Lincoln is closer to The Social Network (presumed frontrunner fizzling out) than it is The King's Speech. Most assumed Lincoln would do well at the guilds and win DGA, PGA and SAG a month or two ago. Now most think it will lose at least two, if not all three.
Do they? I am not sure what the general feeling is, because everyone says something different. Even today I have read predictions of it winning all three, just as I have seen those that think it'll lose all three.
I'm surprised so many people now loves more SiL than SPR as I remember it was a surprise winner that annoyed many people. I also think the better film won (asuming The Red Thin Line had no chance), but SPR is a great film, as well.
well, it has been 14 years...
More likely more people hate Spielberg.
Spielberg vs. the Industry. Who Will Win In The End?
Spielberg lost.
Actually, I think Shakespeare in Love grew older better than SPR but then it was one those cases perceived as the WTF Oscar winner aka "lightweight" film over "OMG! Important" one. Even some people compared to Ordinary People beating Raging Bull.
BTW, Ordinary People is one of my favorite movies ever.
The thinking has come around on Ordinary People a few times. Originally, it was held in very high regard with critics and did great with the groups actually - Raging Bull did not sweep or anything. Ordinary People was seen as a deserving winner. But then...Raging Bull grew in esteem and by the end of the decade, was seen as the film of the decade and unjustly snubbed by the Oscars. So then there was some disdain for Ordinary People. But then I think it's flipped around again and now Ordinary People is quite respected and beloved regardless of the high opinion of Raging Bull fans.
Anyway, Shakespeare in Love is still in that period of 'That won Best picture?!?!' unfortunately over what is seen as the better movie, But on this site, anyway, we're much harsher on Spielberg, so none of us are especially that upset it lost - it really is more of a Directing achievement anyway...well, the first 40 minutes of it are anyway.
We all know The Thin Red Line is the film of 1998 that will truly endure anyway - I actually think it's a small miracle it got nominated for Pic and directing! I thought it's box office failure was going to doom it at the Oscars so I was pleasantly surprised to see it get nominated.
Shakespeare in Love is a VASTLY better film than SPR. One of the smartest original screenplays in memory, a flawless ensemble, a wondrous score, equally impressive tech work down the line only in a different context, and that ending is one for the ages. I feel like most people who watch those two films today far removed from all the backlash are pretty much in agreement with the outcome.
Maybe most people here. In "real life" I know very few people who prefer SIL.
Serious question, is Sasha's obsessive hatred with SLP now worse than TKS? I think so!
What I don't get is that people are acting like she's only been like this the last couple of years. She was batshit crazy in 2001 and 2002 as well. I enjoy reading her at times, but she takes all of this way too personally.
Every 2nd article on her site is either spend bashing SLP or whining about Harvey's ad campaign. She has posted like 3 articles over the film's ad campaign and has casually ignored the fact Lincoln has sent the more FYC stuff out of any film to voters! If you comment trying to defend the film in anyway, she will alter or delete your comment! She's crazier than Pat!
Like I said, she has been going off her nut for for years. I follow this stuff because I love movies and it's fun. But, if my favorite doesn't win anything it's not the end of the world. For Sasha all of these things are life and death. I'd like to think she'd get some perspective considering she's been doing this since, I believe January 2000 (and I even read her back then....somehow stumbling upon the old Oscarwatch.com when doing a search for the race) - but she hasn't.
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