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    Finally I’ve seen the movie in Haqyunus siggie!

    And, I loved The Day He Arrives (Hong, 2011). It’s my first film by Hong Sang-soo so I guess others will be better versed in what his games with variations of the same events mean, but they took me completely off-guard and I loved them. To me, it was easy to make sense of a narrative that seems to be springing from someone in a kind-of stand-by vital situation, someone who’s a film director and imagines and re-imagines life, either how he would have liked it to be, how it was or how it might be be or have been. That sense of possibility (OMG, The Hours quote) fits to a man in the protagonist’s situation and creates a rich tapestry of coincidences and small acts that may or may not alter much what ends up happening.

    But Hong never lets the theoretical take the place of the “real” (not in the sense of what truly happened, but in the sense of what’s actually happening on screen, regardless if it’s imagination or fact) and the characters and their situations are always compelling, interesting and genuine. All these iterations are fascinating and moving on their own, which leaves you pondering about what would be the most desired outcome in the way the protagonist does.

    I loved the way the characters are defined, their fresh dialogue, the relations between them, the situations, the acting, the stark but evocative and moody cinematography, the zooms in and out that focus each possibility in a certain character. Everything rings true and touching. In a way, I was reminded of Rohmer? And, I also loved Hong’s strange humor.

    A really nice discovery, now I want to see more films by Hong.

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    If you loved this, McT, than you will pretty much love his other films as well.



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    Quote Originally Posted by McTeague View Post
    Finally I’ve seen the movie in Haqyunus siggie!

    And, I loved The Day He Arrives (Hong, 2011). It’s my first film by Hong Sang-soo so I guess others will be better versed in what his games with variations of the same events mean, but they took me completely off-guard and I loved them. To me, it was easy to make sense of a narrative that seems to be springing from someone in a kind-of stand-by vital situation, someone who’s a film director and imagines and re-imagines life, either how he would have liked it to be, how it was or how it might be be or have been. That sense of possibility (OMG, The Hours quote) fits to a man in the protagonist’s situation and creates a rich tapestry of coincidences and small acts that may or may not alter much what ends up happening.

    But Hong never lets the theoretical take the place of the “real” (not in the sense of what truly happened, but in the sense of what’s actually happening on screen, regardless if it’s imagination or fact) and the characters and their situations are always compelling, interesting and genuine. All these iterations are fascinating and moving on their own, which leaves you pondering about what would be the most desired outcome in the way the protagonist does.

    I loved the way the characters are defined, their fresh dialogue, the relations between them, the situations, the acting, the stark but evocative and moody cinematography, the zooms in and out that focus each possibility in a certain character. Everything rings true and touching. In a way, I was reminded of Rohmer? And, I also loved Hong’s strange humor.

    A really nice discovery, now I want to see more films by Hong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McTeague View Post
    Finally I’ve seen the movie in Haqyunus siggie!

    And, I loved The Day He Arrives (Hong, 2011). It’s my first film by Hong Sang-soo so I guess others will be better versed in what his games with variations of the same events mean, but they took me completely off-guard and I loved them. To me, it was easy to make sense of a narrative that seems to be springing from someone in a kind-of stand-by vital situation, someone who’s a film director and imagines and re-imagines life, either how he would have liked it to be, how it was or how it might be be or have been. That sense of possibility (OMG, The Hours quote) fits to a man in the protagonist’s situation and creates a rich tapestry of coincidences and small acts that may or may not alter much what ends up happening.

    But Hong never lets the theoretical take the place of the “real” (not in the sense of what truly happened, but in the sense of what’s actually happening on screen, regardless if it’s imagination or fact) and the characters and their situations are always compelling, interesting and genuine. All these iterations are fascinating and moving on their own, which leaves you pondering about what would be the most desired outcome in the way the protagonist does.

    I loved the way the characters are defined, their fresh dialogue, the relations between them, the situations, the acting, the stark but evocative and moody cinematography, the zooms in and out that focus each possibility in a certain character. Everything rings true and touching. In a way, I was reminded of Rohmer? And, I also loved Hong’s strange humor.

    A really nice discovery, now I want to see more films by Hong.
    The Rohmer comparison for this particular movie does make sense. By the way what do you think about the same actress playing both roles of the ex-girlfriend and the ever-not-present bar-owner. It does fit into the idea of repetition and how the protagonist keep going through the same events and falling for the same type of women. On the other hand and given his other movies that I have seen, it can very well be just him having fun (like Bunuel.)

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    Sergeant Howie from the original 'Wicker Man' has to be the most insufferable protagonist I've encountered in recent memory; as the film progressed I found myself rooting for the people of Summerisle. I found the ending very satisfying, needless to say .

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    I've decided that maybe I should expand my horizons in film through my school library during my last semester here, and my friends and I had so much fun with Some Like It Hot that we decided to make it a weekly thing. This week, we went with The Three Faces of Eve. Maybe I'll finally understand the principle tenets of ACTRESSING.

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    Bah, The Three Faces of Eve is not a good movie. Well it's not bad either, but you'd get more about both actressing and film through "The Lady Eve" or "Al About Eve"!

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    Ok, so that Blancanieves film was NOT at all the masterpiece everybody around me was claiming it to be. It sure as hell was aesthetically pleasing (LMAO) and daring at times, but it felt even more useless than The Artist to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McTeague View Post
    Bah, The Three Faces of Eve is not a good movie. Well it's not bad either, but you'd get more about both actressing and film through "The Lady Eve" or "Al About Eve"!
    This. Such a disappointment.

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    Well now I know what to get NEXT week.

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    I've been wondering whether to go see WARM BODIES or not. I like the basic pitch, Roeper gave it a good review (hell its 86% at RT so far). Interestingly the worst reviews I'm reading so far are from nerd websites.

    Umm....
    Movies recently reviewed by RRA:

    Star Trek (2009)
    Pain & Gain (2013)
    Oblivion (2013)
    Jurassic Park III (2001)
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    Valmont (Forman, 1989) was on TV last night, and I watched its last 40 minutes for the first time since, like, the mid 90’s. And:

    - I had always found Dangerous Liaisons more dramatically satisfying, but yesterday I found myself deeply moved/disturbed by this subtler version.

    - I liked even more Bening’s performance. It’s SO different from Glenn’s take, but still so perfect! And I adore Close’s performance! Of course, Bening is never given such an earth-shattering moment like the last minutes of the Frears’ film, but her mixture of glee and “I-might-have-just-gone-too-far-in-my-wounded-pride-rage” frustration as she shows Valmont her latest, final triumph (her bedding Danceny and telling him about Valmont and Cecile) is wonderful (and more complex than what Close could ever achieve, probably).

    - I understand better now what Forman and Carriere were after. They just wanted to take out a lot of the drama that felt moralistic (the punishment for Merteuil, for instance, the unrealistic tragedy) but in a way, the leaves the story somewhat pointless. But it’s not simple: I think Merteuil has a punishment big enough knowing that her scheming is what leads Valmont to death (and she truly loved Valmont), and the social death in the novel and in Frears’ version was a slightly too moralistic (and hypocritical) final nail. But meanwhile Hampton and Frears put more emphasis on Merteuil genuinely (albeit in her twisted way) loving Valmont, hence the ending feels more powerful, but then they add the moralistic social punishment (although it’s incredibly satisfying from a dramatic POV). Here, though, you have a less powerful but perhaps more complex finale. Merteuil’s feelings for Valmont are never explicit but you see them in the nuances of Bening’s performance. In the final image of Merteuil, she’s attending Cecile’s wedding and looks, jaded and sad, at a happy Danceny that seems on his way to become a new Valmont. She has had victory but they hint at the bitterness behind such victory, albeit never in an open way: they leave you guessing, why is she bitter? Did she really love Valmont and is sick that Danceny, the guy who killed him, is now happy and in Valmont’s place? Or is she perhaps a bit sick finding out the monsters she’s created, seeing how Cecile and Danceny seem destined to perpetuate the cruel game she’s been playing?

    I don’t know, I had always thought of the Forman version as a wonderfully acted but fatally flawed film, but yesterday I saw more virtues, despite still being aware of the obvious points in which it compares unfavourably to DL.

    Oh and visually Valmont is much more striking. Art direction and costume design are clearly superior, but also the cinematography is just jaw-dropping.

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    I've never seen Valmont, but always wanted to and yet somehow considered it pointless since it was essentially the same film as the one that came before it (the year before it) and so it was like the 80's version of Infamous

    But I liked Cruel Intentions

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfists3600 View Post
    I've never seen Valmont, but always wanted to and yet somehow considered it pointless since it was essentially the same film as the one that came before it (the year before it) and so it was like the 80's version of Infamous
    No, it isn't the same film. Not even "essentially".

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    Valmont is much more passionate and vibrant a film - and Benning's take on the character just so full-blooded and vivid. It's the complete oppossite of the almost sterile and frigid, icy tone that Frears and company bring to the material. I enjoy both takes on it - one is like steeping yourself in a hot bath and the other is like waking up in the ice house though. Both will dazzle your senses, for sure. I think I prefer Valmont more though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blasty View Post
    Valmont is much more passionate and vibrant a film - and Benning's take on the character just so full-blooded and vivid. It's the complete oppossite of the almost sterile and frigid, icy tone that Frears and company bring to the material. I enjoy both takes on it - one is like steeping yourself in a hot bath and the other is like waking up in the ice house though. Both will dazzle your senses, for sure. I think I prefer Valmont more though.
    That is true. I don't remember who said it but it was a review somewhere that said that (paraphrasing, of course): Dangerous Liaisons goes for the jugular, while Valmont goes for the heart. There is this change of tone noticeable in all aspects of the film: the performances, the acting and the direction. DL (not that i don't love it) is dramatic, bold and theatrical while Valmont is a bit restrained, casual, almost melancholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McTeague View Post
    No, it isn't the same film. Not even "essentially".
    Well, as I admitted, it was a sight unseen assumption. I do want to see this though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfists3600 View Post
    I've never seen Valmont, but always wanted to and yet somehow considered it pointless since it was essentially the same film as the one that came before it (the year before it) and so it was like the 80's version of Infamous

    But I liked Cruel Intentions
    Ignoring your transgression of mentionioning CI with the other two ...I never got he fascination with Cruel Intention and how it became sort of a cult favorite. I can enjoy such type of movies (Wild Things) but it was sort of a let down. Tepid and badly acted. Almost like a parody. If it was intentional, then it was boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by haqyunus View Post
    Ignoring your transgression of mentionioning CI with the other two ...I never got he fascination with Cruel Intention and how it became sort of a cult favorite. I can enjoy such type of movies (Wild Things) but it was sort of a let down. Tepid and badly acted. Almost like a parody. If it was intentional, then it was boring.
    I haven't seen it in years. I just remember really loving SMG's bitchy take on the role and I thought it worked surprisingly well in the modern setting. It was beautifully shot too. Ryan was never a good actor, but his sterile delivery kind of worked for the character, and Reese was beautifully composed. Besides, that love scene was perfect and for the kind of movie it is (dirty teen cult favorite) it holds up rather well, I thought.

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    Killer Joe is kind of awesome. For some reason, I expected something much creepier and scarier, so I was surprised that it's actually a really dark comedy. But Friedkin handled the various elements well, the cast was a ton of trashy fun, and the third act is just a gonzo celebration of the macabre.

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