Dallas/Fort Worth Film Critics Association Winners

[RobYo]

So happy for Ann Dowd !! Dallas is a great predictor for the Oscars. great lists !!

[McTeague]

This. Has a foreign performance ever made it to the oscars with so little love from the critics?

I guess Bardem in Biutiful is the closest thing, but even that had won something.

This is the reason I had been predicting Cotillard to fail all year, but I guess I should not underestimate again the power of really loud campaigning. I guess paying pundits to predict you all year ends up making you happen. Such a self-fulfilled prophecy!

[Hatshepsutely]

I think she and her studio have been the most aggressive as far as campaigning goes and buying 'awards' or tributes. So if she doesn't get the nod it will be total fail.

I can tell you that we didn't receive a screener for it.

[babz]

Based on what? the Sony Pictures Classics reps here ran the screenings very late in the process and didn't talk up Rust and Bone very much. I usually gauge the effort by how many emails flood my inbox. How many did Sony send for R&B? One.

Well you probably know better than i do. I was just going by all the nods she got at sag/bcfa/gg but i guess that doesn't tell the whole story.

[Aurelius]

Cotillard campaigns hard where it counts. And no offense, that doesn't include Dallas/Fort Worth or basically most critics organizations.

[avatar74]

I guess Bardem in Biutiful is the closest thing, but even that had won something.

This is the reason I had been predicting Cotillard to fail all year, but I guess I should not underestimate again the power of really loud campaigning. I guess paying pundits to predict you all year ends up making you happen. Such a self-fulfilled prophecy!

It's not just loud campaigning.... If I see 350 films in a year, how many are likely to stand out to me? Ten maybe? So the consequence is, if you don't get your film in front of me, how do I know it's any good?

That's the nature of anything... If someone asked me about some drummer in Kazakhstan I'd never heard of, I couldn't offer my opinion of him relative to, say, Buddy Rich.

One problem is that American distribution for foreign films is terrible. And that has a lot to do with the lousy American appetite for foreign films as well as the ratio of America's film output versus the rest of the world.

I don't particularly like that but I don't know what a critics organization could do to change that, unless you're NSFC or FIPRESCI and they vote differently not because they ping every distributor in the world, but because distributors bring a much wider variety of films into their markets.

[crazyfists3600]

Cotillard campaigns hard where it counts. And no offense, that doesn't include Dallas/Fort Worth or basically most critics organizations.

This. All these minor critics mean nothing when she was nominated for BFCA, SAG and Globe and will easily pick up BAFTA as well

[RobYo]

I can tell you that we didn't receive a screener for it.

this is probably the reason she hasn't come up as much. They can't nominate what they didn't see

We need to remember though - Sony Pictures Classics is VERY good at getting one of their people nominated -
so one of Riva/Cotillard will for sure make it. or Mary Elizabeth Winstead :S

[avatar74]

Cotillard campaigns hard where it counts. And no offense, that doesn't include Dallas/Fort Worth or basically most critics organizations.

Yeah NSFC is full of hacks... founded by those two hacks, Kael and Alpert. And FIPRESCI, presenter of the Palme d'Or since its inception... amateurs! DFW? Wilonsky? Boo Allen (Christy Lemire's Brit Lit prof?)... yeah, what do they know!

Chicago? Roger Ebert? Pulitzer? Sat in a hotel room watching the riots outside his window at the Cinémathèque Française in '68 after the ouster of Henri Langlois? Worthless!

[McTeague]

Yeah I don't think it's a matter of SPC not campaigning too loud, but instead of campaigning cleverly. They know no critics body would go with Marion over Riva, even if both films were seen. And they know instead R&B may be an easier sell to the more mainstream groups, and that's where they campaigning hard for it. Amour or critix, R&B for AMPAS.

[Aurelius]

Yeah NSFC is full of hacks. And FIPRESCI, presenter of the Palme d'Or since its inception... amateurs! DFW? Wilonsky? Boo Allen (Christy Lemire's Brit Lit prof?)... yeah, what do they know!

Chicago? Roger Ebert? Pulitzer? Sat in a hotel room watching the riots at the Cinémathèque Française in '68 after the ouster of Henri Langlois? Worthless!

I'm not questioning their abilities as critics, but as far as campaigning for Oscars go, they have much less influence than BFCA, SAG, Globes and BAFTA, like fists just said.

[Souler]

Yeah NSFC is full of hacks... founded by those two hacks, Kael and Alpert. And FIPRESCI, presenter of the Palme d'Or since its inception... amateurs! DFW? Wilonsky? Boo Allen (Christy Lemire's Brit Lit prof?)... yeah, what do they know!

Chicago? Roger Ebert? Pulitzer? Sat in a hotel room watching the riots outside his window at the Cinémathèque Française in '68 after the ouster of Henri Langlois? Worthless!

Au meant where it counts FOR AN OSCAR NOMINATION obviously. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuh.

[avatar74]

Au meant where it counts FOR AN OSCAR NOMINATION obviously. Duuuuuuuuuuuuuh.

I'm aware of that. But the second sentence was totally superfluous to that argument. Fundamentally, she's right. The Oscars are not driven by any sensibility of quality, and their precursors are industry guild awards more so than the critics awards (which tend to be precursors to the HFPA globes, obviously).

Far be it, however, for me to tell someone not to flex their internet muscles in full message forum cliché fashion....

[RobYo]

Yeah I don't think it's a matter of SPC not campaigning too loud, but instead of campaigning cleverly. They know no critics body would go with Marion over Riva, even if both films were seen. And they know instead R&B may be an easier sell to the more mainstream groups, and that's where they campaigning hard for it. Amour or critix, R&B for AMPAS.

That's a really interesting point because it's true - Marion is doing well with the big groups (SAG/GG) and Riva is cleaning house with the Critics. maybe they do have a strategy.

[Aurelius]

I'm aware of that. But the second sentence was totally superfluous to that argument. Fundamentally, she's right. The Oscars are not driven by any sensibility of quality, and their precursors are industry guild awards more so than the critics awards (which tend to be precursors to the HFPA globes, obviously).

Far be it, however, for me to tell someone not to flex their internet muscles in full message forum cliché fashion....

I don't see how my second sentence was superfluous, but let's mark that down to my inability to use proper English.

I'm a guy, by the way .

[crazyfists3600]

I'm aware of that. But the second sentence was totally superfluous to that argument. Fundamentally, she's right. The Oscars are not driven by any sensibility of quality, and their precursors are industry guild awards more so than the critics awards (which tend to be precursors to the HFPA globes, obviously).

Far be it, however, for me to tell someone not to flex their internet muscles in full message forum cliché fashion....

This was unnecessary

[avatar74]

I don't see how my second sentence was superfluous, but let's mark that down to my inability to use proper English.

I'm a guy, by the way .

Not everyone automatically thinks "Oscars" when we read the words "where it counts"... The jab at critics organizations didn't clarify this nor did it strengthen your argument.

[Aurelius]

Not everyone automatically thinks "Oscars" when we read the words "where it counts"... The jab at critics organizations didn't clarify this nor did it strengthen your argument.

It's a brain deformity you get when you stick around here for years.

[avatar74]

It's a brain deformity you get when you stick around here for years.

Well I have to give you points for being honest.

[Aurelius]

At least it's not as bad as others around here. Some can tell you who was third runner up for Best Supporting Actress in 1966. OFF THE TOP OF THEIR HEAD.