Lange gives it to him about being a psycho-biddy, him considering her nom and win for Tootsie "category fraud" and why she wouldn't go supporting for Grey Gardens.
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It was category fraud, since she wasn't supporting in that movie (and was kind of awful in it to boot).
Originally Posted by crazyfists3600
It was category fraud, since she wasn't supporting in that movie (and was kind of awful in it to boot).
I remember Terri Garr was pissed when Lange went supporting in Tootsie. She's quoted in that awesome Inside Oscar book. Can't wait to listen to this when I get home from work.
LOVED Garr in that movie
It's a debate that will go on forever. To me, if we remove "Frances" from the picture...I'm pretty sure Jessica Lange would have been placed in lead actress. Then again, maybe people wanted so badly to give her a win, and knowing that she'd never beat Streep in Lead Actress for "Sophie's Choice", they relegated her to supporting where she could win.
I mean, Talia Shire, six years earlier went Lead Actress, so if Jessica's arguing she was a supporting actress to Hoffman, then Shire was definitely supporting to Stallone...and Neal to Newman, Stone to De Niro, etc.
It's just a matter of trying to get the most nominations and who has the most chances to win. Just last year, Viola Davis was pushed Lead because I'm sure people thought she could win earlier on in the season...same with Jennifer Lawrence this year.
On a completely different note, Jessica was completely respectable and didn't "give" anything to O'Neal. He's obsessed with awards, so there's no surprise he'd ask such a question.
I always thought Lange was supporting in Tootsie. It was Dustin Hoffman's story. Neal, Shire and Stone were all supporting as well, at least for me. The latter two would have won the Oscar had they been placed in that category.
It was category fraud! Garr was very upset. Saying stuff like "I think lange was the leading lady in tootsie. I played the supporting part with The director telling me we can't make you look too good' I was a real good sport about it and then I have to share the nomination. Well I'm a little bugged by that"
I know Jessica Lange never had a chance at the win for Frances, but there are days I would give her the Oscar over Meryl Streep. It sucks the two performances had to go against one another.
There aren't days...there is every day. Streep was very good, but in retrospect she had one amazing scene strung together by a good performance. She's been much better. What Lange does in Frances is a revelation from top to bottom, scene to scene.
Dame Leo says,
So when is Teri Garr the expert on category placement? She was just butt hurt that Lange beat her.
Dame Jessica did not show up until 25 minutes into Tootsie! And it's not like she was the focus from that point on! You had several sub plots going on with Hoffman and the old guy from Punky Brewster, Hoffman and Charles Durning, Hoffman with the old lady executive producer, Hoffman with Sydney Pollack, Hoffman with Dabney Coleman, Hoffman babysitting Lange's baby, and Hoffman with Bill Murray, not to mention all the musical montages of Tootsie to Rolllllllllllll Tootsie Rollllllll. All of Lange's scenes were with Hoffman the lead. She had no other sub plots going on besides her relation to him.
Tootsie was Hoffman's show and everyone was supporting him. And no hissy fit from Teri Garr or Tom O'Neill can change that. If Frances came out in 1981 or 1983 no one would even be talking about category fraud.
O'Neill also said Meryl was LEAD for Kramer vs Kramer. ABSURD! Meryl disappears for over an hour! And he think that's a lead?
This is why Julianne Moore has never won an Oscar
Dame Leo says,
I am almost scared to listen to the podcast. Did Tom O'Neil actually have the nerve to call Dame Lange's win a fraud to her face? How dare he! Who does he think he is? Where are his manners? I am embarrassed for him.
This is why Julianne Moore has never won an Oscar
Is funny to know that Teri Garr was pissed with Jessica Lange considering that Lange won NYFC, BSFC, KCFC, and the Golden Globe. All in supporting. Teri Garr won... nothing?
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1920 Tora Teje, Erotikon // 1921 Pola Negri, The wildcat
1922 Anna May Wong, The toll of the sea // 1923 Marion Davies, Little old New York
1924 Marie Prevost, The marriage circle // 1925 Gloria Swanson, Stage struck
The critics groups are not that much better than the Academy though, when it comes to engaging in category fraud? They have always been fully aware of their influence and impact in the Oscar game. Sometimes they don't give a shit and do their own thing but probably more often than not they listen to the buzz and put the actor where he is getting campaigned. Every case is different and sometimes different critics groups don't even agree like with Hopkins in Silence of the Lambs and him winning supporting with some and lead in others.
I think with Lange in Tootsie, the critics groups knew exactly what they were doing by putting her in supporting - they wanted her to win something, and they wanted her to get a boost in the Oscar race - people make fun of the National Board of Review and the Globes for their unsavory motives and star fucking but let us not forget that it's film critics who refused to give Fernanda Montenegro an award in NY because they didn't wanna look at her face during the meal for the ceremony when they had the opportunity to gape at hottie Cameron Diaz instead.
New York film critics voted for her to win best actress for tootsie first but she lost to Streep and then she won supporting. Then at the nsfc she lost best actress for tootsie and Frances and then won supporting for tootsie.
SEE?!?! That's awesome BTN, thanks for that. That is the perfect evidence of how childish and ridiculous the critics groups are. They want what they want and won't even accept the consequences of their own decisions and just change things as they go along so they can have the performances/actors they want win. You know the same critics that were trying to get Lange a win and lost in one category processed to switch her placement to another category hoping she would win there instead. LOL so disgusting and desperate and sad.
The critics want what they want. Oh, and so does the Academy. I don't think you should be criticizing either so venomously considering how much of your time you spend hoping either loves and chooses what or who (or is that whom?) you love and choose. That would be like saying, "So and so's opinions and decisions are so disgusting and desperate and sad. I hope they opine favorably and decide to award <insert *achem* actress, actor anything else of choice>."
I love the critics awards for their opinions and the ideal of what they represent. But their tactics to actually pick winners and their whole voting process is a Hot Mess and an embarrassment LOL but yeah, let's face it, that's why we kinda love them now too. When I was an innocent Oscarwatching teen, I used to respect them and think they were so beyond reproach though - now I know better - at least the Hollywood Foreign Press is honest about their desperation to give awards so they can hobnob with celebrities - we always have to wait for the embarrassing gossip to leak about why some of the critics awards pick what they do.The critics want what they want. Oh, and so does the Academy. I don't think you should be criticizing either so venomously considering how much of your time you spend hoping either loves and chooses what or who (or is that whom?) you love and choose. That would be like saying, "So and so's opinions and decisions are so disgusting and desperate and sad. I hope they opine favorably and decide to award <insert *achem* actress, actor anything else of choice>."
Wait, are you saying...
Oh, hell -
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