Originally Posted by tututaya
Spielberg vs. the Industry. Who Will Win In The End?
Spielberg lost.
I don't know whether to laugh at you or cry for you. One thing has nothing to do with the other. It's obvious that perhaps that's how you think. Maybe you don't like Lawrence but to in any way suggest that she doesn't deserve to be in the conversation b/c she's attractive is short sided and wreaks of a misogynist.
I also love how ldw considering awarding Channing Tatum a bad thing!
#realtalent
#bestactor2012
WE'RE GONNA FIGHT!
This weekend...one last chance to save Halle's career from complete oblivion. Oh, wait...
"...it's already done."
#THECALL.
She doesn't deserve to be in the discussion because the performance is mediocre. Because not at any time does it feel the least bit real. Because one sees a person giving stale line readings and pretending. Because possible no other talked about performance this year is so utterly wooden and lacking in anything resembling depth. Now I should have used "and/or" (is it the role she plays or the how she is a young, good looking actress whose body is fetishized beyond belief in this film). Of course there are Hunger Games fans too but I don't think that plays as big a deal with critics.
Lets take the role she plays. She plays the likeable but emotionally scarred woman overcoming a tragedy and trying to get her life back on track. She plays a character who talks tough but has a sensitive heart, who refuses to give up on the male protagonist, and who has set a goal for herself to do well at a competition. Now BDP did argue she was not meant to be a likeable character but to be fair BDP also was puzzled by laughs during the film thinking they were unintended (by the way, BDP, I have checked with plenty of friends and no one but no one recalls anyone laughing when the Mom is accidentally hit by Cooper - you must have just had an odd audience that night - but yes the rest of the laughs were probably meant). Pretty much everyone else gets she is written to be likeable and the audience is supposed to root on her and the male protagonist being together at the end. When we get down to it she plays a male wish fulfillment fantasy - the tough on the outside, sweet and vulnerable on the inside woman who needs the man as much as he needs her (and apparently can cure him of his bipolar disorder - seriously in the film he reads a letter, realizes he loves her, and never has another rage incident).
You really think plenty of women don't win awards for the role with little to no consideration of the performance. Do you think Sandra Bullock delivered a brilliant performance in The Blind Side? That Jennifer Hudson's acting was magnificent in Dreamgirls? The Keisha Castle-Hughes's work in Whale Rider was much more than flat line readings? Do you think when deciding between Hilary Swank for Million Dollar Baby and the other performances in 2004, that people weren't swayed by the role itself?
As for the latter point, if you think none of the male critics are moved by looks and finding someone sexy to overrate performances - good luck on that. You can paint me as misogynistic for being realistic all you want. You can act as if the likeability or sex appeal of actresses doesn't cause certain critics to vote for them and want to be around them. You can think the 98 Cameron Diaz/NY love or the 00 Kate Hudson love was a fluke. Good for you.
I don't dislike Lawrence. I don't even hate the performance. I don't think it is good but I don't hate it. However that such a mediocre performance is considered disrespects the acting of women. It all but states the last thing certain critics are interested in when it comes to women is the quality of their performance. When women are producing rich, complex performances such as Rachel Weisz or Hani Furstenberg or Melanie Lynskey did this year, it only makes this mockery more blatant.
Last edited by ldw; 12-09-2012 at 11:13 PM.
Yeesh.
GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL. IT DOESN'T DISRESPECT THE ACTING OF WOMEN. PEOPLE JUST REALLY LIKED HER PERFORMANCE. YOU DIDN'T. AND THAT'S FUCKING FINE. GET. OVER. IT.
Jesus Christ.
What a whackjob.
Elena
Is he always like this?
She and yes, she is.
Oh, that explains a lot actually.
And what do you mean by that?
Artimus sums up my persona thusly: You're so lovable but you scare me.
So that is how it is. That says more than enough. I think I will take a break from here if that is the route it is going to go.
That is definitely NOT how it is going to go and he better think carefully about what he says next.
I just mean why she would be offended by the character of Tifanny, a character many see as a typical manic pixie dream who ends going for the guy in the end and the male character gets what he wants.
But it was wrong of me to jump to conclusions like that and I really shouldn't have said anything and I am deeply sorry for offending you Idw.
I'm just gonna take a break from posting for a while.
Okay.
Let's everyone breathe.
Step away from the keyboards.
And ruminate on pleasant things like... God, are there any awards everyone agrees on?
Artimus sums up my persona thusly: You're so lovable but you scare me.
That will never, ever happen here.
Apart from the love for Amour (heh) and Holy Motors, these left me mostly cold. Until Footnote won the runner-up in Foreign Language, that is. That infuriated.
I will marshall all the forces of darkness to hound you to an assisted suicide - Peter Capaldi, In The Loop
Well, I actually think this could be an interesting discussion. Why is a female actor using her natural sex appeal and likeability to enrich her characters considered demeaning to her gender? Part of what makes a great acting performance, in my opinion, is what the particular performer brings to the table that nobody else can. This year, Matthew McConaughey is getting good notices for a part that showcases his great physique, for instance. JLaw uses her natural charm and "pixieness" to make the character of someone struggling with mental illness more relatable to the audience. I understand that ldw was not particularly fond of JLaw's acting choices and her personal opinion on the performance is completely valid. I just disagree with her take on other people's opinions.
I get that ldw doesn't find Sandra Bullock's and Cameron Diaz's accomplishments particularly impressive, lol. Besides clearwaterlegend, I think I was the only person around here defending Sandra's performance three years ago. ldw talks about reviewers not being able to differentiate between the character and the actual accomplishment of the performance... and yet I think Sandra's value as an actress has always been that she's able to rise above the material she's given, which is usually lame romantic comedies. There's something about her that is genuine and warm and I think audiences respond well to that.
I also believe Cameron's work in Mary to be fantastic. In this case, she does play a man's fantasy and she does it by infusing her character with a real personality, sense of humour and lack of vanity - an essential quality for comedy. You understand why everyone in the movie falls for her. It's a difficult feet to pull off, since she has to rely more on her instincts instead of sentimentality to create the character. I think what she acomplished in the movie was every bit as hard as what her big competitor at NYFCC, Fernanda Montenegro, did in Central Station.
Leaving a screening of The Paperboy.
Man, I hope so...because Staunton, Winslet, and Moreno were all so great that year, I was very disappointed at the final outcome.But oh well...8 years later, not gonna dwell on it too much
These are such blanket statements. You could say the same thing about many roles. People relate to different attributes of different roles and performances. I wasn't a fan of Swank in Million Dollar Baby per se but I can understand why people would find hers a great performance without having to devalue their criteria (I would've never given her the win but I think she technically performed and emoted very well) in such demeaning ways.
Hell, even in AD you will find Sandra Bullock apologists (I remember Dally being appreciative of her work), so yes, there were probably people out there who genuinely liked her performance? I personally loved Castle-Hughes in Whale Rider and think she probably deserved to win that year.
Your claims are like, almost single-handedly denying the subjectivity of human experience and trying to turn your take on Jennifer Lawrence's performance into objective fact with - to make matters worse - a sexist agenda. I don't even have a substantial opinion on Lawrence as an actress or otherwise but you're completely deluded.
Why must you turn a discussion into heated argument every single time?
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