Les Miserables 9: They Dreamed a Dream

[Shy_Hallaman]

Not true at all. For all we know, Atonement was #2 for BP at the Oscars.

Without Director and Editing nods? Nope.

[Boogaboog]

Without Director and Editing nods? Nope.

The GG and BAFTA wins, as well as the existence of something like Driving Miss Daisy, mean more than these arbitrary requirements. DMD didn't get a director, cinematography, or score nomination, and still won.

[cambelboy]

No, we absolutely can't. I don't even know what calculus you people are using. It won the GG Drama and the BAFTA, made many people in both screenings I saw it in cry, and suddenly the fact that it didn't get a director nomination or win Best Actor/Cinematography means a tricky, aesthetically muddled film like TWBB was higher in voting? Delusional. No Country only beat Atonement by virtue of being an absolute masterpiece. Atonement would have slain something like The King's Speech or The Artist.

You're not mentioning any guilds. It sucked in the guilds (the big 4 I'm talking about) I think it's clear that the BP nod was mostly thanks to Brit votes.

[Rage Colored Glasses]

Without Director and Editing nods? Nope.

Not to mention out of the 4 actors from the movie contending for a nomination only Ronan got in (and again, was almost certainly in fifth place, and I say that as someone who loves her performance).

[Souler]

Getting a Directing nomination is an "arbitrary requirement" for winning Best Picture now because one film in the last 60 years managed to do it? Girl, bye. Maybe The Soloist also came close to winning Best Picture, it not being nominated means nothing.

[Boogaboog]

You're not mentioning any guilds. It sucked in the guilds (the big 4 I'm talking about) I think it's clear that the BP nod was mostly thanks to Brit votes.

What relationship do guilds have to Best Picture wins? X film gets a DGA and SAG, etc. nominations, therefore it received more Best Picture Oscar votes? I'm not finding that persuasive.

[Shy_Hallaman]

The GG and BAFTA wins, as well as the existence of something like Driving Miss Daisy, mean more than these arbitrary requirements. DMD didn't get a director, cinematography, or score nomination, and still won.

These are not "arbitrary" requirements. It's statistics.

By the way, Driving Miss Daisy WAS nominated for Editing and won Screenplay.

You don't have a point.

[crazyfists3600]

Why...are we talking about Atonement?

[raguabros]

The guild results are more telling that GG! GG are a small group of people who do not belong to the Academy, while guilds have membership overlapping extensively with AMPAS!

[Shy_Hallaman]

What relationship do guilds have to Best Picture wins? X film gets a DGA and SAG, etc. nominations, therefore it received more Best Picture Oscar votes? I'm not finding that persuasive.

So, Guild wins mean nothing, lack of Directing and Editing nods mean nothing, but somehow BAFTA and GG Drama do?

Oy.

[Boogaboog]

Getting a Directing nomination is an "arbitrary requirement" for winning Best Picture now because one film in the last 60 years managed to do it? Girl, bye. Maybe The Soloist also came close to winning Best Picture, it not being nominated means nothing.

But why exactly does that trump winning the GG and BAFTA, particularly knowing as we do how the film played with audiences? How many films in the past decades have won both awards and been #5 in the Best Picture race? Indeed, how many have won both and not been the presumptive runner-up? Maybe two or three films?

[Boogaboog]

These are not "arbitrary" requirements. It's statistics.

By the way, Driving Miss Daisy WAS nominated for Editing and won Screenplay.

You don't have a point.

And wasn't nominated for Cinematography nor won Score. Your point?

[raguabros]

Here's a clip of ONE DAY MORE http://siddal-sassenach.tumblr.com/

Underwhelming, and SBC and HBC's parts are plainly bad.

[Boogaboog]

So, Guild wins mean nothing, lack of Directing and Editing nods mean nothing, but somehow BAFTA and GG Drama do?

Oy.

Who said they mean nothing? All I have asserted is that I do believe Atonement is one of those special cases (like DMD), which didn't do superbly in other categories, but was a clear favorite among the masses in its nomination year. I have to question the sanity of anyone who watched TWBB and Atonement in 2007 and believed TWBB would come within 75 votes of Atonement for Best Picture.

[Shy_Hallaman]

And wasn't nominated for Cinematography nor won Score. Your point?

What have Cinematography and Score to do with Atonement's position in the Oscar race? LOL, did you forget your medication today?

[Rage Colored Glasses]

I agree. It would have been more than 75 votes ahead of Atonement for BP.

[Boogaboog]

What have Cinematography and Score to do with Atonement's position in the Oscar race? LOL, did you forget your medication today?

Somebody is trying to make Best Editing somehow an absolutely tell-tale of a film's Best Picture Oscar chances, without providing a shred of argument to that end. LOL, did you forget how to read?

I agree. It would have been more than 75 votes ahead of Atonement for BP.

More like 175 behind.

[steve4922]

I love "Atonement". But it did not gets noms from any of the four major Guilds (DGA, SAG, PGA or WGA) or an Oscar directing nom or an editing nom. The idea that is was in second place is ludicrous. I was delighted at the Oscar noms it got, but IMHO it didn't come close to winning.

[Shy_Hallaman]

Who said they mean nothing? All I have asserted is that I do believe Atonement is one of those special cases (like DMD), which didn't do superbly in other categories, but was a clear favorite among the masses in its nomination year. I have to question the sanity of anyone who watched TWBB and Atonement in 2007 and believed TWBB would come within 75 votes of Atonement for Best Picture.

Who cares about your "beliefs". They don't make the slightest bit of sense... Not to mention there is nothing indicating Atonement was in a better position than TWBB, regardless of your opinion about its "muddled aesthetics", LOL

[Mike Aiello]

Weren't a lot of us not even predicting "Atonement" to get into the final five? I think "Into the Wild" or even "Sweeney Todd" was being tossed around at that time. But anyway...that was 5 years ago. Time to move on lol