Also, the LA Film Critics also awarded Vera Farmiga their Lead Actress award for the indie Down To The Bone. Very much deserved.
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Conspiracy against Cloud Atlas.
Also, the LA Film Critics also awarded Vera Farmiga their Lead Actress award for the indie Down To The Bone. Very much deserved.
Conspiracy against Cloud Atlas.
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LOLz
FYC Oscar consideration, Miss Sally Field, as Mary Todd Lincoln
They have Rex Reed?!?
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Miss 0 or 100 Rex Reed!
FYC Oscar consideration, Miss Sally Field, as Mary Todd Lincoln
I thought the NYFCC is the more "Highbrow" of the two, that's why people were so shocked in 2003 when The Return of the King won Best Film from that Group. Many were predicting either Lost in Translation or even In America at the time.
Rachel Weisz won best actress today. The performance of the year won. So unless LAFC also awards it, I have a hard time seeing how they can rival the decision in that category.
This must be a dream. Rachel winning and Wallis missing (and with Wallis the whole Beasts).
Emmanuelle Riva would certainly rival it.
Or Cotillard for Rust And Bone.
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I knew it and confirms what I've been saying all along: Lincoln is respected and admired (especially in the particulars: the script, the acting) but the sum of its parts, the movie itself, doesn't generate the passion needed to win. And NY was its best chance (as it was Argo's, but Argo at least came close to winning).
I'm afraid DDL will steamroll all season again (Denzel is definitely dead as far as winning chances go, NY was his chance and he missed it, and it wasn't even close).
As for actresses, I guess Weisz will be one of those rare cases in which the NY winner goes nowhere, sadly. But maybe she can sneak in Globe Drama? And BAFTA if she's eligible (Deep Blue sea is a 2011 film, not sure when it opened in the UK).
And yes, this too. The suggestion that professional film critics have any difficulty judging a film's editing is depressing, however true it may be. Then again, seeing the NYFCC choices over the last years, it's not surprising they have no idea about judging a film's editing. Or about judging film at all.
I think what you are saying actually applies more to Argo than to Lincoln. Argo is well made but has nothing special - direction and acting is not particularly great. It is not a movie that elicits passion or debate, because it is a movie with no undercurrents or multiple layers. it is exciting when you see, but then you soon forget about it. At least, Lincoln is a much more ambitious and cinematic movie (direction and acting in Lincoln is vastly superior to Argo's - there are striking visuals in Lincoln, none in Argo). I believe that Lincoln will have much more replay value than Argo (of course, this may help Lincoln in the future, from a legacy point of view, but not in the context of the oscar campaign where most people see a movie once).
For me, cinema is all about visuals. Hence why, in my eyes, Ben Affleck will never be a great director (whereas Spielberg is one, because he has an eye for great shots), and why John Ford will always be the greatest.
Last edited by Semp; 12-04-2012 at 03:46 AM.
Yes, that is a fine personal opinion of yours, but I was talking about what the NY results show. And they show great love for individual aspects of Lincoln (acting and script) but none at all, zero, for the movie as a whole or Spielberg as a director. Argo and Affleck appeared as runners up. Lincoln and Spielberg didn't. So regardless of your very legitimate opinion, the BY result is exactly the opposite of what you say: Argo as a movie and Affleck's direction have love, even though tthere's no love for individual actors or techs or script, Lincoln has exactly the opposite. I don't know how that can be argued ABOUT THESE RESULTS (the importance of said results in the whole race is what's up to debate, not the result itself).
I think you're grasping for straws, but okay.
What you say about Lincoln not getting love as a whole based on these results may be right - although one could argue that best screenwriting award pertains to the movie as a whole. However, I am not very interested in predicting who will win (yes, I know, strange for this board). What interests me is who should win. And I believe that an average movie like Argo should not win a best oscar movie. But obviously, that's just me.
Last edited by Semp; 12-04-2012 at 04:21 AM.
I know it eventually doesn't have too mean much but this Weisz win is giving me life! Finally I have someone to root for - I've loved her performance and as much as I did her previous work and wouldn't it be funny if she factors in the race after all? Imagine she would be the one from the actress roundtable that gets in before half of the other participants! Let's hope this will not be a fluke as the Tilda-tragedy last year and she gets some more mentions
Last edited by tnb; 12-04-2012 at 04:46 AM.
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Can you find that ONE mistake?
Now, I'm not saying Lincoln cannot win, I just think all of our contenders seem to have cons. And I'm not alone in thinking that. For instance, Jon Weisman said this in Variety, after having seen Les Miz, and comparing it to Argo, Lincoln, ZDT and SLP:
http://weblogs.variety.com/thevote/2...iserables.htmlAnd I still don't see an unadulterated favorite.
We have a crowdpleaser that however is perceived as too light (Argo). We have a big "important" movie that however doesn't feel emotional or thrilling enough to generate passion (its "gravitas" is all you guys are saying it has). We have an apparently great, emotional and populist film that however will have some naysayers (Les Mis). And we have ZDT which reviews indicate could be too much of just a critics thing (brainy like, say, The Social Network).
I think nothing’s decided yet, but I think there are signs of weaknesses in all of them all around, and I think it’s foolish to discount how little support Lincoln and Spielberg just got in Best Picture and Best Director at NYFCC. If it had been in favour of Holy Motors or even The Master I would dismiss it, but it was in favour of two other BP frontrunners, so I don’t see how this doesn’t reveal a certain weakness (the same it reveals for Les Miz, but we already counted on that as far as critics go).
Last edited by McTeague; 12-04-2012 at 05:05 AM.
I can't understand how film wins 2 acting and screenplay awards and hasn't passion behind it.
Edit: NYFCC still thinks Spielberg's movies direct themselves. (taken from AD commnets.)
Last edited by Eternal; 12-04-2012 at 05:13 AM.
Spielberg vs. the Industry. Who Will Win In The End?
Spielberg lost.
Nobody was expecting Lincoln to actually win the top prizes at NYFCC, were they? This is a group that is notoriously cold on Spielberg. The two times his films have won (Schindler and Ryan), they snubbed him and gave Directing to Jane Campion and Terrence Malick. Day-Lewis and Field are only the 2nd and 3rd actors to ever win for a Spielberg film (the 1st was Ralph Fiennes for Schindler), and Lincoln is the first Spielberg to win Screenplay.
The fact that it won those three prizes speaks volumes. Honestly, I feel like this is as far as a critics group such as NYFCC can be willing to go with him. Yeah, Lincoln didn't win Best Film, but it's not like their pick was something that didn't win anything else; Zero Dark Thirty was also clearly beloved in a number of categories. Both Lincoln and ZDT won three.
This has no negative bearing on Lincoln's shot at winning Best Picture. Not in the slightest.
Excuse me? YOU had it as the alternate winner. So did Moviefreak, Sumberge or With One Voice, not exactly newbies to this. Lincoln was the most common alternate in Gold Rush and quite a few had it as the winner.
It turns out it wasn't even a Top 3 choice.
It doesn't hurt its chances regarding Oscars. It simply shows I wasn't crazy in saying there doesn't seem to be "passion" for it. You vote for it in separate items, but on the whole, THREE (not one or two) movies were more beloved. It shows I haven't invented the weakness I'm perceiving. Which doesn't mean it won't win the Oscar, it just means it's not a clear-cut favorite, but I already knew that.
ETA: And a Metacritic survey shows many of the 100s Lincoln has come from New York. It seems I wasn't wrong saying those 100s didn't sound too convincing...
Last edited by McTeague; 12-04-2012 at 05:26 AM.
I voted for it as an alternate because literally nothing else made sense as one. If you look at my predictions you will see that I was predicting ZDT for wins all across the board. Jesus. They weren't going to go for Argo with ZDT in the picture. They're too highbrow for Silver Linings and too lowbrow for something like Amour and Holy Motors. The Master is more of an LAFCA thing. What other option did I have? After the reviews, it was clear ZDT was the frontrunner for NYFCC... which is why the majority of people were predicting it in Gold Rush.
I'm sorry, McTeague, but your whole argument about Lincoln not having enough passion is, well, kinda crazy. You're ignoring the clear signs and making up something that isn't there.
The only thing I agree with you on is that Lincoln isn't the clear-cut favorite... it's one of them. We need to see the actual critical reception to Les Mis, as well as how much money both it and ZDT make before the race can be called. But it's insane to suggest that Lincoln isn't looking very good right now.
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