NYFCC discussion thread III: The Deep Blue Pee

[Brazilianmovies]

[Souler]

http://blogs.artinfo.com/moviejourna...hirty-lincoln/

In the acting awards, Sally Fields (“Lincoln”) finally defeated initial front-runner Anne Hathaway (“The Dark Knight Rises” and “Les Miserables”) for Best Supporting Actress on a fourth ballot while, in a rare second ballot win, Matthew McConaughey (“Magic Mike” and “Bernie”) beat out Christoph Waltz (“Django Unchained”) and Tommy Lee Jones (“Lincoln”). The closest and most surprising race saw Rachel Weisz (“The Deep Blue Sea”) edged Jennifer Lawrence (“The Hunger Games” and “The Silver Lining Playbook”) and Emmanuelle Riva (“Amour”). Last year’s winner Jessica Chastain (“Zero Dark Thirty”) was a factor throughout, tying for the lead on several ballots. (This race was by far the most polarized; only three of the 16 ballots cast for Lawrence or Chastain cited both actresses.) By contrast Daniel Day Lewis (“Lincoln”), possibly the most feted actor in NYFCC history, led on every ballot but still required three rounds of voting to best the closely bunched trio of Jack Black (“Bernie”), Joaquin Phoenix (“The Master”), and Denis Lavant (“Holy Motors”).

[filmy]

http://blogs.artinfo.com/moviejourna...hirty-lincoln/

In the acting awards, Sally Fields (“Lincoln”) finally defeated initial front-runner Anne Hathaway (“The Dark Knight Rises” and “Les Miserables”) for Best Supporting Actress on a fourth ballot while, in a rare second ballot win, Matthew McConaughey (“Magic Mike” and “Bernie”) beat out Christoph Waltz (“Django Unchained”) and Tommy Lee Jones (“Lincoln”). The closest and most surprising race saw Rachel Weisz (“The Deep Blue Sea”) edged Jennifer Lawrence (“The Hunger Games” and “The Silver Lining Playbook”) and Emmanuelle Riva (“Amour”). Last year’s winner Jessica Chastain (“Zero Dark Thirty”) was a factor throughout, tying for the lead on several ballots. (This race was by far the most polarized; only three of the 16 ballots cast for Lawrence or Chastain cited both actresses.) By contrast Daniel Day Lewis (“Lincoln”), possibly the most feted actor in NYFCC history, led on every ballot but still required three rounds of voting to best the closely bunched trio of Jack Black (“Bernie”), Joaquin Phoenix (“The Master”), and Denis Lavant (“Holy Motors”).

It's a little sad that J. Hoberman thinks her name is Sally Fields. LOL.

But this is so fascinating! Don't tell Sasha:

An early favorite for Best Director, Paul Thomas Anderson was overwhelmed by Kathryn Bigelow on the second ballot, with Ben Affleck (“Argo”) finishing a distant third. (Strikingly, Steven Spielberg, who failed to get a single first ballot votes, was never in contention.)

[erikdean]

http://blogs.artinfo.com/moviejourna...hirty-lincoln/

In the acting awards, Sally Fields (“Lincoln”) finally defeated initial front-runner Anne Hathaway (“The Dark Knight Rises” and “Les Miserables”) for Best Supporting Actress on a fourth ballot while, in a rare second ballot win, Matthew McConaughey (“Magic Mike” and “Bernie”) beat out Christoph Waltz (“Django Unchained”) and Tommy Lee Jones (“Lincoln”). The closest and most surprising race saw Rachel Weisz (“The Deep Blue Sea”) edged Jennifer Lawrence (“The Hunger Games” and “The Silver Lining Playbook”) and Emmanuelle Riva (“Amour”). Last year’s winner Jessica Chastain (“Zero Dark Thirty”) was a factor throughout, tying for the lead on several ballots. (This race was by far the most polarized; only three of the 16 ballots cast for Lawrence or Chastain cited both actresses.) By contrast Daniel Day Lewis (“Lincoln”), possibly the most feted actor in NYFCC history, led on every ballot but still required three rounds of voting to best the closely bunched trio of Jack Black (“Bernie”), Joaquin Phoenix (“The Master”), and Denis Lavant (“Holy Motors”).

Some amazing stuff here. They like Spielberg's films yet hate him.

Poor Beasts, so close.

[Howard Beale's Toothpaste]

uuugh, they were so close to an interesting Actor winner.

[kitkat]

That is so random. Spielberg not even in contention for director but his movie doing so well. And I guess they really liked "Bernie".

[Souler]

Hm, I think Jack Black could possibly prevail at the NSFC.

[Markku Palo]

The only mention Django got was Waltz in supporting. Now that's pretty interesting.

[Jonathan]

Again, I'm not particularly concerned about Beasts losing here. A LOT of NY critics were not fans of it, and as we've seen before when there's a small group in NY that DOESN'T want to award something, they usually won't. I'll be more concerned if it misses out at LA, but I still think there's just too much passion and Searchlight is too strong of a studio for it to miss out, as much as certain awful people would hope otherwise.

It's hard to say who would be the biggest loser today, since ZDT and Lincoln so thoroughly DOMINATED that it's hard to determine who was more hurt than others. I think Argo is pretty hurt by this though. A few reviews of ZDT already compared it to Argo and gave ZDT the upper hand, and these wins seem to confirm that it's going to be perceived as the superior film - by critics, at least. But that means pretty much any critics wins by Argo are going to be pretty darn hard to come by.

Also, some NY trivia relating to the ZDT/Bigelow wins...here are the the directors to win Directing for back-to-back films:

Terrence Malick - Days of Heaven (1978)/The Thin Red Line (1998)
Fred Zinnemann - High Noon (1952)/From Here to Eternity (1953)
John Ford - Stagecoach (1939)/The Grapes of Wrath/The Long Voyage Home (1940)/How Green Was My Valley (1941)

And the number of times a director's films have won back-to-back:

James L. Brooks - Terms of Endearment (1983)/Broadcast News (1987)
Fred Zinnemann - High Noon (1952)/From Here to Eternity (1953)

So, that this was able to take Picture/Directing when they had a clear alternative in Lincoln (From a director they hadn't awarded so recently) is just great, great news for the movie. I've been a skeptic about it for a while (Even with those early raves), but this is definitely the real deal.

[Rage Colored Glasses]

Really cool that Lavant was mentioned.

[erikdean]

Really cool that Lavant was mentioned.

As he should be, what with being the best male performance of the year and all.

[Jonathan]

http://blogs.artinfo.com/moviejourna...hirty-lincoln/

In the acting awards, Sally Fields (“Lincoln”) finally defeated initial front-runner Anne Hathaway (“The Dark Knight Rises” and “Les Miserables”) for Best Supporting Actress on a fourth ballot while, in a rare second ballot win, Matthew McConaughey (“Magic Mike” and “Bernie”) beat out Christoph Waltz (“Django Unchained”) and Tommy Lee Jones (“Lincoln”). The closest and most surprising race saw Rachel Weisz (“The Deep Blue Sea”) edged Jennifer Lawrence (“The Hunger Games” and “The Silver Lining Playbook”) and Emmanuelle Riva (“Amour”). Last year’s winner Jessica Chastain (“Zero Dark Thirty”) was a factor throughout, tying for the lead on several ballots. (This race was by far the most polarized; only three of the 16 ballots cast for Lawrence or Chastain cited both actresses.) By contrast Daniel Day Lewis (“Lincoln”), possibly the most feted actor in NYFCC history, led on every ballot but still required three rounds of voting to best the closely bunched trio of Jack Black (“Bernie”), Joaquin Phoenix (“The Master”), and Denis Lavant (“Holy Motors”).

Maybe the TDKR mention with Hathaway scared some voters away? Nice that Black did so well though! I would love to see more mentions for him through the season even though the film is unlikely to prevail.

[Cecilia]

http://blogs.artinfo.com/moviejourna...hirty-lincoln/

In the acting awards, Sally Fields (“Lincoln”) finally defeated initial front-runner Anne Hathaway (“The Dark Knight Rises” and “Les Miserables”) for Best Supporting Actress on a fourth ballot while, in a rare second ballot win, Matthew McConaughey (“Magic Mike” and “Bernie”) beat out Christoph Waltz (“Django Unchained”) and Tommy Lee Jones (“Lincoln”). The closest and most surprising race saw Rachel Weisz (“The Deep Blue Sea”) edged Jennifer Lawrence (“The Hunger Games” and “The Silver Lining Playbook”) and Emmanuelle Riva (“Amour”). Last year’s winner Jessica Chastain (“Zero Dark Thirty”) was a factor throughout, tying for the lead on several ballots. (This race was by far the most polarized; only three of the 16 ballots cast for Lawrence or Chastain cited both actresses.) By contrast Daniel Day Lewis (“Lincoln”), possibly the most feted actor in NYFCC history, led on every ballot but still required three rounds of voting to best the closely bunched trio of Jack Black (“Bernie”), Joaquin Phoenix (“The Master”), and Denis Lavant (“Holy Motors”).

Are these two performances really so polarizing or was there strategic voting involved (people liking Lawrence not voting for Chastain and vice versa?) Sounds pretty odd that only 3 people would vote for both of them simultaneously.

[Jonathan]

Are these two performances really so polarizing or was there strategic voting involved (people liking Lawrence not voting for Chastain and vice versa?) Sounds pretty odd that only 3 people would vote for both of them simultaneously.

There might have been awareness among the critics that those are the two big horses in the Actress race, so battle lines were drawn between the two, only for it to blow up in their faces.

[erikdean]

There might have been awareness among the critics that those are the two big horses in the Actress race, so battle lines were drawn between the two, only for it to blow up in their faces.

In all honesty, this is semi-legitimate vote splitting. When a small, vocal group votes as strategically as they do they end up undoing themselves as a result.

[Aaron Leggo]

I love that we get an inside look at the voting process. Sooooo cool to know that Lavant was in the conversation and that whole thing about how Weisz one is so messed up!

[Rage Colored Glasses]

There might have been awareness among the critics that those are the two big horses in the Actress race, so battle lines were drawn between the two, only for it to blow up in their faces.

Exactly.

[Eduardo Zuckerberg]

Jack Black and Denis Levant were runners-up

[Buster]

Really cool that Jack Black was mentioned.

As he should be, what with being the best male performance of the year and all.

ahem

Actually I love both of these performances, Jack's just a bit more (though Denis' is perhaps a bit more of a technical feat). Still, it's a shame they'll both likely be ignored instead for someone like Bradley Cooper.

Hard to believe Argo came in second for Best Film. Seriously ?!?

[DirkDiggler]

So The Master finished third....

but if I'm reading correctly, PTA placed second for Director?