The Katy Perry thread.

[breakdancepanda]

This is my new favorite thread.

[dyedred19]

The thing about "Ur So Gay" is that, like "I Kissed a Girl," it's just entirely wrong on so many levels. Like, I don't think anyone serious or objective could honestly believe that making fun of lazy stereotypes is something that can be done "tongue in cheek" in a song marketed to kids. Like, yes, she was "joking," but the "jokes" are jokes about lazy, lazy stereotypes!

But even if you forgive the gay stereotypes and how they affect out gay men (which you shouldn't), what about kids who get bullied for that sort of bullshit? (Considering bullying is the cause for her "award.") The entire point of the song is to suggest her boyfriend isn't a "real man." The part in the video where the Ken doll is revealed to not have any genitalia is so obviously offensive I don't even know where to begin with someone who can't see that. Which, fine, whatever, I'm not here to police the messaging in music, but an anti-bullying organization giving her an award? Like, news flash, "not even liking boys" has never, ever stopped a kid from getting bullied for being "so gay." Gender-normative bullying is, I would bet, at the root of most gay bullying among kids, and many, many, many straight kids (on top of, obviously, the many gay kids) have had the shit kicked out of them for being "gay." Like, I'm sure there are a few gay kids who find boyfriends/girlfriends when they're 13, but I'm willing to bet that the majority of anti-gay bullying among kids has less to do with actual relationship status than it does with expectations of gender. The contents of that song have everything to do with why kids get bullied. It's a pro-bullying song.

Do they give out medals for posts?

[hurricanesmith]

The thing about "Ur So Gay" is that, like "I Kissed a Girl," it's just entirely wrong on so many levels. Like, I don't think anyone serious or objective could honestly believe that making fun of lazy stereotypes is something that can be done "tongue in cheek" in a song marketed to kids. Like, yes, she was "joking," but the "jokes" are jokes about lazy, lazy stereotypes!

But even if you forgive the gay stereotypes and how they affect out gay men (which you shouldn't), what about kids who get bullied for that sort of bullshit? (Considering bullying is the cause for her "award.") The entire point of the song is to suggest her boyfriend isn't a "real man." The part in the video where the Ken doll is revealed to not have any genitalia is so obviously offensive I don't even know where to begin with someone who can't see that. Which, fine, whatever, I'm not here to police the messaging in music, but an anti-bullying organization giving her an award? Like, news flash, "not even liking boys" has never, ever stopped a kid from getting bullied for being "so gay." Gender-normative bullying is, I would bet, at the root of most gay bullying among kids, and many, many, many straight kids (on top of, obviously, the many gay kids) have had the shit kicked out of them for being "gay." Like, I'm sure there are a few gay kids who find boyfriends/girlfriends when they're 13, but I'm willing to bet that the majority of anti-gay bullying among kids has less to do with actual relationship status than it does with expectations of gender. The contents of that song have everything to do with why kids get bullied. It's a pro-bullying song.

You're hot then you're cold
You're yes then you're no
You're in then you're out
You're up then you're down
You're wrong when it's right
You're black when it's white
We fight we make up
We kiss we break up.



HS

[TheOppressionRepressesMe]

I like Katy Perry songs. They are on my workout playlist.

I'M WIDE AWAKE.

HS

[breakdancepanda]

You're hot then you're cold
You're yes then you're no
You're in then you're out
You're up then you're down
You're wrong when it's right
You're black when it's white
We fight we make up
We kiss we break up.



HS

That song's about fucking, right?

[Largo]

That song's about fucking, right?

No.

You
PMS
Like a bitch
I would know.

It's about how periods are gross.

[breakdancepanda]

No.
It's about how periods are gross.

Surprised?
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/celebrit...perry-feminist

[Largo]

Ironically, there's a Taylor Swift ad on that page.

[Sage]

Speaking of randomly listing antonyms, I'm pretty sure watching these two videos back-to-back can teach a person all they need to know about good and evil.

[Ben7]

Katy Perry at a tribute to Carole King last night in LA. Perry's attendance at this event reinforces the notion that she seems to have good to great taste in music. However, I haven't been digging her look lately. Something just seems a bit off, not sure what it is..

[Bean]

Katy Perry at a tribute to Carole King last night in LA. Perry's attendance at this event reinforces the notion that she seems to have good to great taste in music. However, I haven't been digging her look lately. Something just seems a bit off, not sure what it is..

Wouldn't making better music be the best way to demonstrate her 'good to great taste in music?'

[McTeague]

The only good thing that's ever happened as a result of Katy Perry is Rob Delaney's "analysis" of Last Friday Night:

Ok, I’m totally with you on these idiotic Katy Perry “pretending-like-I’m-pushing-it-while-really-reinforcing-it” songs on sexual identity, which are truly among the most hideous things ever concocted by pop moguls.

But that “analysis” sounds like my great grandmother complaining about rock being the devil’s music.

Still Katy Perry sucks. Although I suck a little more for oddly, unexplainably liking a bit “The One that Got Away” in all its cliché-ridden glory.

[Ben7]

Wouldn't making better music be the best way to demonstrate her 'good to great taste in music?'

I personally think she makes amazing music. Definitley one of my favorite artists. Though I do realize that everyone has there own tastes and what not.. So where you or I might think someone should make 'better music' - obviously you with Katy Perry, and me with someone like Miley Cyrus on her latest album, I understand that personal tastes are subjective. That said, (and to get back on point) Perry has demonstrated her great taste in music, in my eyes, over the past year when she declared that Alanis Morissette was the reason she wanted to be a songwriter, that Madonna was 'everything' to her, and by simply attending this event last night.

[Bean]

I personally think she makes amazing music. Definitley one of my favorite artists. Though I do realize that everyone has there own tastes and what not.. So where you or I might think someone should make 'better music' - obviously you with Katy Perry, and me with someone like Miley Cyrus on her latest album, I understand that personal tastes are subjective. That said, (and to get back on point) Perry has demonstrated her great taste in music, in my eyes, over the past year when she declared that Alanis Morissette was the reason she wanted to be a songwriter, that Madonna was 'everything' to her, and by simply attending this event last night.

I...nevermind. I was just needling you. I don't actually care to have this conversation.

[Sage]

Ok, I’m totally with you on these idiotic Katy Perry “pretending-like-I’m-pushing-it-while-really-reinforcing-it” songs on sexual identity, which are truly among the most hideous things ever concocted by pop moguls.

But that “analysis” sounds like my great grandmother complaining about rock being the devil’s music.

Still Katy Perry sucks. Although I suck a little more for oddly, unexplainably liking a bit “The One that Got Away” in all its cliché-ridden glory.

There are a lot of ways to criticize Rob Delaney, but being great-grandmother-like is not one of them.

[dyedred19]

Comparing Rob Delaney to a great-grandmother is the greatest thing ever. Like, that was kind of the point? Haha.

I doubt Katy Perry can name 10 Carole King songs.

[hurricanesmith]

I have always preferred Film Crit Hulk's Katy Perry evisceration, and not just because he's been a better friend to me than Luke could ever hope to have been.

HS

[Largo]

Delaney's comedic rant on TGIF also brings up a huuuuuge problem I have with the song at the very end, when he essentially says, "can you make a song for those of us who don't like rape?" It's a very funny piece, but he brings up a lot of good points about its casual disregard for the consequences of the singer's actions.

[flibber]

Rob Delaney kind of irritates me. He needs to zero in on a comedic perspective before his brain explodes from the pressure of juggling every possible joke he can think of.

[Largo]

I'm not a fan of his stand-up for the same reason, but the Perry piece is rather focused, oddly for him. Maybe he's like Chelsea Handler - their stand-up is very raw/terrible, but they were somehow gifted with superb writing ability.