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are you serious????? leonardo di caprio is a big star and he would be better off to win a lead oscar. i dont want what happened to cate blanchette to happen to leonardo di caprio
i couldnt find the smiley of the one with the face crying big tears but this is where i would have put it
is it confirmed? i thought they were all going to be going for lead actor??? i dont see how jamie foxx or christopher waltz is more lead than leonardo di caprio.
more oscars and tonys for cate blanchett please
So you don't want him to win an Oscar?Originally Posted by CateBlanchett4eva
Eh, an Oscar is an Oscar. I mean, I'm sure Glenn Close would have loved to win for Best Original Song last year, but they didn't even nominate her.
DiCaprio probably should have won for The Aviator. He should have won for The Departed too, but AMPAS nominated him for the wrong performance, so my pick for that year is Ryan Gosling.
He's competing in Supporting this year. I don't see what the big deal is?
Hahaha, putting Waltz in lead is GENIUS (and judging by the trailer, seems accurate). I mean, I'm pretty sure Waltz didn't have a chance anyway, and besides, he and Foxx have Oscars already. Harvey wants Leo to have an Oscar, and he'll do anything he can to make it happen.
This, completely. Waltz's character was always going to be compared to Hans Landa and will most likely fade in comparision.
The man who leaves and the man who comes back are not the same.
Why would it be compared with Hans Landa? It's not like Bardem playing a psycho villain in No Country For Old Men, then playing another psycho villain in Skyfall. That's what diminishes Bardem's chances. It's just another (lesser) version of the same character type in a far more commercial movie.
Waltz is playing a good guy this time around. The guy who helps and trains Django. Like a Western Obi-Wan Kenobi or whatever. Landa was a chilling, sinister villain. It's not the same deal at all (other than being played by the same guy in a Tarantino movie). Totally different character, and he could easily get nominated for it without suffering comparisons to Hans Landa because of that.
Simply put, he's a threat to Leo's chances, and needs to be moved to a category where he can't endanger the Golden Child. Maybe test screenings revealed people preferred Waltz over Leo and Harvey started to panic that he wouldn't be able to keep his promise.
Harvey would probably try to move Samuel L. Jackson to lead, if he could get away with it.
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I don't think so. I didn't see anything fresh in his performance in the trailer (I loved him in Carnage, by the way), and the character is also Austrian, again in a Tarantino film. This is pretty much his 'biggest' role since his win. Besides, the role didn't look particulary showy to me.
Does Harvey really care that much about DiCaprio and his 'promise' that he would diminish the chances of a more likely Oscar nominee for him?
The man who leaves and the man who comes back are not the same.
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Leo is a relatively young megastar that will be headlining movies for maybe the next 20 years. Harvey knows which side his bread is buttered. Leo is a guy he wants to "owe" him, because he's so valuable in this industry (far more valuable than Waltz). So yeah, I think he's very serious about his promise, and keeping it. And he would throw another contender under the bus to do it.
Waltz isn't going to be changing his accent much from role to role, but neither will Marion Cotillard or Penelope Cruz, and the Academy will have no problem nominating them repeatedly. They understands it's not as easy for European actors (where English is not their first language) to do different accents, so it's rarely an issue, if they respect the actor. If people find the performance charasmatic or captivating, him being Austrian again won't matter.
Eh, Harvey always says these things. "Leave Streep to me. Leave Scorsese to me. Leave DiCaprio to me." He succeeded with Streep, failed with Marty, so let's see what he does with Leo. But I think what he'll do is winning, because the lead actor with previous leading actor nods that goes supporting in a juicy role almost always wins (Like, Freeman, Bardem, Ledger, Bale, Clooney, Caine, Williams...).
Bale and Clooney didn't have any lead nominations (or any nominations for that matter) before their wins, but I see your point.
This is probably more true now, what with big stars winning supporting Oscars (Penelope Cruz, George Clooney, Angelina Jolie). But historically, supporting Oscars were not deemed equivalent. I mean, supporting actress winner Dorothy Malone or lead actress winner Grace Kelly? Supporting actress winner Celeste Holm or leading actress winner Elizabeth Taylor? Rosalind Russell was a famous time where she could have won for "Picnic" in 1955, and she was a favorite at the time (or so I've read), but refused to be campaigned supporting (stars in those days rarely did that), so she lost her chances altogether and little-known Jo Van Fleet won.
Nowadays, things are usually different...but even going back to what Julia Roberts said 10+ years ago about Denzel Washington not having a leading actor Oscar...it does matter. For that reason, I imagine Clooney will win a second leading Oscar in a matter of time.
That's also what makes Denzel feel slightly under-rewarded despite having TWO Oscars, and what I think could give him an edge over DDL.
I really don't think that anyone feels that Denzel is under-rewarded, at least not at the Oscars. That sentiment might help him at the SAGs, but if DDL is winning everything else up to that point he'll win that too. But, I think the SAG will be the hardest to win for him out of all the other awards.
Not "under-rewarded" in general, but certainly moreso than DDL. It's a bit like Streep. (A BIT, remember, I acknowledge the differences so don't start "BUt Meryl had 17 nominations..."). Streep had two oscars but one was in supporting and both were eons ago. That seemed too little for Meryl. Denzel hasn't had that many unrewarded nominations, but it DOES feel like as if it was precisely his best work what has been snubbed (Malcolm X and The Hurricane). It feels as if people were still wanting to see Denzel win for a truly big, loud performance for the ages. Or that's at least the feeling I have, and I'm reeeeeeally far from being a Denzel fan.
I know you acknowledge it, but Meryl is really a different case. She felt under-rewarded, not because she had one leading and one supporting win, but because she had a trillion nominations and a trillion loses and is widely considered one of the greatest (if no the greatest) actresses ever. While being respected, there is nowhere near the same regard for Denzel. I think most people look at him and see a two-time Oscar winner and think that's more than enough. Plus, he already won for a big, loud performance and as far as his best work being snubbed, Malcolm X, I'll give you, but I'm sure most people don't give a shit about The Hurricane and if they were to re-vote on that Oscar now the same person would win.
Well, last year at that point it was mostly about a Clooney-Pitt race, I think?
Or was Dujardin already considered a real threat to them, because of The Artist's BP frontrunner status?
I admit I didn't pay much attention to best actor last year....
That said, I'd not count out a possible repeat, although DDL's role this time is really REALLY baity!
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And her 2nd win had been about 3 decades ago. Plus, y'know, but she had 17 NOMS. Since Denzel's win a decade ago, he's lost zero times. And his overall winning record is 40%...which is really high.
The middle-aged men of AMPAS like sexy young women with sexy accents, so Cruz and Cotillard getting extra noms isn't/wouldn't be surprising. Waltz doesn't have that going for him.
http://andthewinneris.blog.com/2010/...dtosupporting/ has a list of all (-08) lead acting nominees who went for supporting noms later. It happens much, much more frequently in the modern age.
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LT lurker here. I had to reply to this because it is far from the truth. Denzel not being in the same regard as Streep because he doesn't have a trillion nominations? No. Denzel is considered one of the best actors of the last 30 years if not the best. At least few times during that time span he was considered the best. Is it Denzel's fault that he didn't choose to do a bunch of Oscar baity, sappy roles to get as many nominations as Streep has? That doesn't make him any less a great actor as Streep. You are using the amount of nominations Streep has as some sort of barometer as to what a great actor should be but completely trash Hurricane as being something most people don't give a shit about. Do you think people Julie & Julia, Music of the Heart, One True Thing, A Cry In The Dark, Ironweed, The French Lieutenant's Woman anymore? No they don't.
As for him being a two time winner is more than enough, why? it's never more than enough if he's really good and deserves it. He is coming up on his 6th nomination spanning 25 years, so obviously the Academy is still acknowledging him and this is from a 10 year absence. I love how you speak for 'most people' when you really don't. I think you'll find most people don't share your opinion of Denzel.
It's not just about the amount of nominations, but it's an overall perception and there is no way that Denzel is perceived in the same way as Meryl Streep. This isn't even a debate. Maybe to you they're of similar stature, but to her peers, critics and audiences Meryl Streep is arguably the greatest actress of all time. While Denzel is respected, it's not even close to the way people view Meryl. This is a fact. Also, you bring up A Cry in the Dark as a forgettable Meryl performance. Well, most people on here would argue differently and say it's actually one of the best of her career.
As far as Denzel being considered the best actor of the last 30 years, that's also debatable. I think most people would cite Sean Penn or DDL in that conversation. And of course, I don't really know, but I've been following the film industry long enough and this is the feeling I get about Denzel. Respected and liked, but not revered in the same way as a Meryl Streep, a Sean Penn or a Daniel Day-Lewis. That's why I think most people would probably think that 2 Oscars is enough. I don't see the AMPAS awarding him a third for a film such as Flight. And as far as what I said about The Hurricane, all I meant was that I don't think the Academy as a whole thinks that his loss for that film was some kind of injustice and if they had to re-vote they'd probably still award Kevin Spacey.
I think Denzel is arguably more respected than Penn. I remember an interview Josh Brolin gave a while back, and he was asked which great actor he was most intimidated to work with (Crowe, Penn, Denzel etc), and he straight away said Denzel, because Denzel was the guy everyone in Hollywood was afraid of going up against, because of how he dominates scenes effortlessly. Brolin said he was shaking and throwing up beore he had his scenes with Denzel in American Gangster. And Brolin has worked with Penn twice and Denzel once, so his opinion is pretty informed.
You could even see it in the Hollywood Reporter roundtable. Everyone was hanging on Denzel's every statement like he was a king or something. Foxx was kissing his ass like crazy, and saying how he and Leonardo Dicaprio were talking about him the other day, and Leo said he was afraid of Denzel.
I think Penn and DDL oscarbait so much more frequently than Denzel, which might skew perception for some. Denzel has the least pretense about him (DDL or penn wouldn't be caught dead in some of Denzel's more commercial films), but I think he's easily as respected as them, and I think they'd gladly give him a 3rd Oscar if the performance merited it.
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