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  • Piranha II: The Spawning

    2 2.20%
  • The Terminator

    5 5.49%
  • Aliens

    29 31.87%
  • The Abyss

    1 1.10%
  • Terminator 2: Judgment Day

    18 19.78%
  • True Lies

    3 3.30%
  • Titanic

    28 30.77%
  • Avatar

    5 5.49%
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Thread: James Cameron

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    A Bad Man in a Bad Land / Mr. Consistency
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    James Cameron

    Yes he can be (I'm sorry, he is) an egomaniac blowhard shouting "King of the World!" at the Oscars when L.A. CONFIDENTIAL should've fucking won. (Seriously.) But unfortunately, he is the King and to be fair, once upon a time ago he was IMO a damn good scriptwriter who matched his words with kinetic action and great characters and setpieces, before his scripts since TRUE LIES (imo) became arguably the cheapest, poorly developed aspects of his otherwise now incredibly well-developed spectacles. If a movie had to break his ego, it would've been TITANIC which should've failed all things considered but instead it...well, became TITANIC. The same goes for AVATAR, shit I remember the initial negative backlash by the Internet when the trailer premiered. Instead, it became...AVATAR. How the fuck does he do it? Which demon did he sell his children to? All-time Box-Office champion #1 and #2, and God knows I won't rule out that son of a bitch making another #1 hit before his soul departs for Skynet, and if he does he'll let you know for sure how dumb you are to doubt his greatness.

    But you know when I recently rewatched TITANIC, I still think the love story is so fucking eyerolling nonsensical at times (yes abandon your luxury to live happily in poverty, hopping around trains!) yet I do forget that DiCaprio and Winslet more or less made great outstanding work from otherwise shitty parts, and yes what a great technical big movie making triumph. For a guy who blew the budget, at least it looked it. Very impressive.

    But when I hear "James Cameron," I think most of his less successful days (as technically accurate if fucking wrong to say) of course back in the 1980s and early 90s. I mean THE TERMINATOR is awesome, still a riveting, exciting action/slasher thriller that is sublime, sophisticated low budget exploitation fare at it's finest. Arnold Schwarzenegger was a star, but that movie made him an icon as one of the great baddies. And gave him a catchphrase. In retrospect, I'm willing to argue he should've been Oscar nominated. ALIENS, well as great as ALIEN is, Cameron produced a sequel nearly as great if changing plots more suited to Cameron's talents, which is a roller coaster ride. I really also adore THE ABYSS, and apparently I'm one of the few people who prefer his Special Edition version, which revealed that this was his CLOSE ENCOUNTERS OF THE THIRD KIND, THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL sort of large scale humanistic parable that's a background for a love story that as love stories go, beats the pants out of TITANIC in my opinion. And of course TERMINATOR 2: JUDGMENT DAY, ah yes my youth. Cameron follows the rules of pro wrestling: When you have a villain so popular, turn him face and with then unbelievable mind-blowing CGI (still IMO among the best in movie history), I count that movie experience as among my favorite of my childhood. Even that young, I noticed the audience tearing up when this badass robot kills himself. That's good moviemaking. I wished that Cameron the storytelling would return.

    I guess if I have to vote, Let me think about it. I'll be back.

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    In retrospect I wished I could've done a multi-vote on this too. Oh well, maybe again someday. I guess whenever AVATAR 2 does poop out, we'll do this again. (But considering the lack of credits, I think just 2 votes next time would suffice. Agree or not?)

    Anyway I voted for TERMINATOR.
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    I love all of these except Piranha.

    I went for the classic Aliens.

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    Avatar is amazing.

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    Terminator 2: Judgment Day
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    A Bad Man in a Bad Land / Mr. Consistency
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    Quote Originally Posted by City Lights View Post
    I love all of these except Piranha.

    I went for the classic Aliens.
    You can't go wrong with that pick.

    Honestly I'm not sure why I pick TERMINATOR over that. Maybe its (pure prejudice) Cameron was playing around, expanding a universe that Ridley Scott already established but with TERMINATOR, a story that could've easily been a brainless Roger Corman drive-in movie (I'm sure that's why Orion undersold their own monster hit they didn't realize they had), Cameron established a universe that from the get go, you wanted to know more of, this future post-apocalyptic mythology (but not yet) of a human messiah and the techo-terrors to come, and her mundane Mom forced by fate (or choice?) to embrace that destiny. A great, if on the nose ending.

    "There is a storm coming."
    "I know."

    Plus and this isn't a knock at ALIENS, but TERMINATOR is one of those low budget genre movies I admire how much Cameron and his people were able to pull off and create in value for the dollar. Contrast that with the endless big budget movies that consistently undersell themselves creatively. Also as great as Weaver is in ALIENS (and got a worthy Oscar nomination), I still think Arnold tops her performance wise with one of those definitive movie villains.
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    For me, it would be Titanic with Avatar very close behind.

    I really like The Abyss, but it's been a few years and I don't remember much about it, so I should re-watch it soon.

    True Lies is goofy fun, but not that great.

    I dislike The Terminator, and I haven't seen any of the others on the list.
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    I'm just going to rank this shit, but I'll leave off Piranha II: The Spawning because, well, I'm not sure that one even counts. It's crap, though, clearly.

    1. Aliens
    2. Terminator 2: Judgment Day
    3. The Terminator
    4. True Lies
    5. The Abyss
    6. Avatar
    7. Titanic

    I have tons of love for the top three, all of which are really close in terms of quality. I rewatched True Lies this year and loved it. It's a big, boisterous action pic the likes of which only Cameron can pull off. The harrier with gigantic green screen work, the crazy stunt with the helicopter-to-limo rescue on the bridge, the opening sequence... it's all such a well-paced blast.

    The Abyss has some good stuff in it, but it's the one Cameron pic of that era that doesn't really work for me. The cast is decent, the tech stuff very cool, and it's well shot and paced, as usual with Cameron. But it never really grabs me and then it just falls apart with the hokey ending. Tough ol' Ed Harris being all deeply moved by the presence of the purple/pink-ish alien things just strikes me as forced and silly. I mean, it would be neat to see underwater aliens and all, but I feel like Cameron's lack of subtlety is at its most crippling when dealing with overly dramatic scenes/elements.

    Avatar is kind of crappy in a lot of ways, but I still find the action sequences interesting and I love Neytiri, so it's not all bad.

    And it feels weird to rank Titanic at the bottom, since I loved it originally and then defended it for quite a while during the inevitable backlash a few years after its release. Over the years, my opinion of it has dropped considerably, but then when I saw it this year on the big screen again, I finally saw it for the big piece of crap that it is. The whole rich-vs-poor conflict is laughable, the characters are mainly cardboard cutouts, and the romance, while memorable, is pretty lame. DiCaprio tries, but Winslet is kind of awful, actually! And obviously Billy Zane is just embarrassing. The sinking ship sequence is still pretty solid, but I care so little about the characters and only want to chuckle at them, so the sequence has no dramatic resonance for me anymore. Anyways, tons of people have already reevaluated the movie and decided it stinks, but it took me a damn long time. I'm there now, though, and probably here to stay.

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    Titanic is a vision from God. It gives me a reason to live.

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    Aliens. It's not even close.



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    Not Titanic.

    Not Avatar.

    Have your pick from among the rest.

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    don't make me knock on your door TheOppressionRepressesMe's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by filmy View Post
    Titanic is a vision from God. It gives me a reason to live.
    I basically agree w this
    WHAT HAVE I DONE?
    YOU SEEM TO MOVE UNEASY


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    1. Titanic
    2. Aliens
    3. The Terminator
    4. True Lies
    5. Avatar
    6. Terminator 2: Judgment Day (was surprisingly clunky when I watched it again a couple years ago)
    7. The Abyss

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    Avatar saved me from eternal doom. James will forever be worshiped. Amen.
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    Alright here are my rankings...

    1. Aliens
    2. Terminator
    3. Avatar
    4. Titanic
    5. True Lies
    6. Terminator 2
    7. The Abyss

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    1. Aliens
    2. Titanic
    3. Terminator 2: Judgment Day
    4. The Terminator
    5. Avatar
    6. The Abyss (Special Ed)
    7. True Lies
    Last edited by Mr. Underhill; 11-24-2012 at 04:22 PM.

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    1. Titanic
    2. Aliens
    3. Terminator 2
    4. Avatar
    5. True Lies
    6. Terminator
    7. The Abbys

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    of course, T2.
    Spielberg vs. the Industry. Who Will Win In The End?

    Spielberg lost.

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    Senior Member Timmer's Avatar
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    Aliens is the gold standard here, but T2, Avatar and True Lies are all gems. Titanic was a great experience but the screenplay has diminished it over time, for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RRA View Post
    In retrospect I wished I could've done a multi-vote on this too. Oh well, maybe again someday. I guess whenever AVATAR 2 does poop out, we'll do this again. (But considering the lack of credits, I think just 2 votes next time would suffice. Agree or not?)

    Anyway I voted for TERMINATOR.
    Terminator is a masterpiece.

    Are you also a Jean Claude Van Damme fan?

    If so, we can be friends.

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