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    Quote Originally Posted by McTeague View Post
    LOL, all the Knightmares in full-revenge mode! Dears, it's not my fault AK sucks so much, you should direct your rage at something more productive.
    OK little people.

    Some of us were actually the assistant musical director of the London West End production of Les Miserables....so there is very little incentive to actually hate or seek revenge through this film version of 'Les Mis'. I hope this version is a success. And believe it or not, it is actually possible to be a 'fan' of both AK and Les Mis....

    and I don't see anyone 'shitting on' this trailer either...it just looks...bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darbicus View Post
    The same way we could create some degree of impression from a ninety second teaser trailer that a lot of people were praising five months ago.

    I don't think it's Oscar chances are on the rocks like some people are suggesting. They may take a hit, but honestly if Lincoln turns into this behemoth event film as it seems to be, then those Oscar chances are a moot point anyway. I still think this will be nominated, possibly even lead the nomination count judging by the combination of crafts and actors within it, but based on my thoughts on the race at this moment, I don't think this will win anything outside of Hathaway.
    Look, I have no idea how this film will do at the Oscars, particularly with the reception that Lincoln is receiving. But to say that this is another "Phantom of the Opera" (which got a 40 on Metacritic) based on this trailer is a big stretch to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Semp View Post
    I am a big fan of Victor Hugo's novel.

    But in my opinion, this film adaptation looks awful from a visual point of view, based on what I can see in the new trailer. In this respect, I must confess a bias: I profoundly dislike the repeated use Hooper makes of short focal length (which distorts the images to the point that they do not seem realistic). Also, his camera seems to move a lot (too much for me). Actually, his visual style, from what the trailer reveals, seems to resemble Peter Jackson's visual style, which likewise relies a lot on short focal length as shown by his Lord of the Rings trilogy (but without the epic New-Zeland landscapes which made such trilogy breathe). I do not think this style, baroque and kitsch, fits the classic storyline of Les Misérables.
    I remember now why I hated The King's Speech and why I hated the decision of making Hooper the director of Les Mis.

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    I'm not sure it'll be another Phantom of the Opera but it certainly doesn't look all that good either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazarus View Post
    Not sure why so many people are failing to acknowledge this.
    Because those who have been biased against the project all year, plus those who have a grudge against Hooper for 2010, are exaggerating everything? Not sure why so many people are failing to acknowledge this.

    Look, despite all my tongue-in-check fanboy-ness, which I exaggerate on purpose, I’m very aware this won’t be a groundbreaking visual cinematic exquisiteness. This won’t be the next “Satantango”. It’s not a matter of opposing high-brow to anything or of deriding auteur film by calling it snob, or anything, you know me well and I adore my Tarrs and my Wheerasethakuls.

    I think the original show is a musical theatre masterpiece because it basically amplified all the innovations introduced during the 60’s and 70’s in the genre into an epic popular production that was masterful in everything it set out to do. Kinda like what “Gone with the Wind” did with everything Hollywood had been learning and improving since the talkies appeared, distilling it in an epic filmic experience that was a pinnacle of popular art, a true filmic equivalent to cathedrals and pyramids. To me, Les Mis is the “Gone with the Wind” of musical theatre, and you know how much I love that film.

    In fact, it pushes so much the boundaries of stage spectacle and stage narrative breath and scope, that I think it begged for becoming a film, that allows the definitive expansion of that spectacle and that narrative. I had goosebumps reading the script because it had everything it needed to clarify in cinematic terms a narrative that was so condensed on the stage that many found certain plot points confusing. The script, just by describing a shot that must be included here and there, clarifies everything without making the narrative any longer, in cinematic terms. Reading it I thought they had exactly done what I felt the show needed: using the tools of film to really make that narrative scope work. Now it still tells a sprawling story filled with events, characters and webs of relations, and with the same intensity given by condensing it in three hours, but without the stage limits that made some of those events confusing.

    So, visually, really, I only expect that Hooper doesn’t fuck it up, and brings the spectacle. Yes, I would have preferred Martin Scorsese’s Les Miserables, but I think Hooper is good enough. He may not be a visionary or an exquisite “visualizer”, but he knows how to do epic spectacle and how to reach and display the motional core of a story. I mean, he made a story about reading a speech on the radio incredibly moving and without doing so in a distasteful or overly manipulative manner. I had many visual quibbles with “The King’s Speech”, but overall the balance of Hooper’s direction was quite positive.

    This time, yeah, I have quibbles too. I don’t know why the clothes of the Thenardieres are so colourful and garish or why they have to be blond (although, according to the script, it seems they’ve set the Cosette child scene during Christmas, so that may explain the red things Bonham Carter is wearing). Yes, the cinematography looks slightly more colourful than I had imagined (the stage show is a very grey-brown show, which gives a very expressive and appropriate gloomy feeling). And yes, maybe Hooper moves the camera more than needed. But you guys are exaggerating it. Have you seen the stage show? It’s something hyper-kinetic: the stage was a spinning one, for chrissakes. The décor is on wheels, entering and leaving the stage while the floor spins because the interior of a café is being built while the buildings and bridge of a street are still on the stage, disappearing. The story is constantly changing from point of view, from location, characters are constantly entering and leaving… I didn’t expect anything but a constantly moving camera. There’s really little chance. It’s a kinetic spectacle and it’s normal and good Hooper is moving the camera from one character to another. For instance, in the scene in the trailer when they’re firing her, you have three minutes to explain that Fantine works in a factory where a group of workers is jealous of her, that the foreman wants to make sexual advances on her, that she has a child she has to keep on her own, you also have to have Valjean appear and explain how he’s gone from ex-convict to owner of a factory, and at the same time Javert is arriving to the town, while the beggars in the walls of said town sing about their misery, and because Valjean is seeing through a window that Javert is coming, he doesn’t have the time to attend the problem with Fantine, and as a result Fantine is unfairly fired without Valjean realising it. There’s no way but have tons of POV shots in different angles, some of which will obviously be canted (Valjean is one second looking through a window placed above him and looking at the workers placed below him, under the stairs). And yes, the camera will be moving frenzied between all these groups of characters.

    The visual horrors Jackson did in the LOTR (none of which you were criticizing guys until I arrived here) had less to do with the constantly moving camera, that was necessary many times, than with the soft focus, the glows, the slo-mo and the genral corn. Yes, some of those helicopter shots filled with garish CGI were ugly too, but I would have never started the crusade against Jackson style I started had those been the only problem. And Hooper here doesn’t use those, anyways.

    Also, most of the sweeping camera movements and canted angles we see in the trailer are in the barricades scenes. Look at the 1934 version by Raymond Bernard and you’ll see how an orgy of canted angles looks. This is an epic fight with guns and cannons and barricades and explosions. If a canted angle is going to allow to include in the frame the whole line of rifles pointing in one direction while keeping Marius in close-up, I’m all for it. Diagonal lines in wide-screen compositions in battle scenes always work.

    So, really. Are there some Hopperisms that can annoy some? Sure. But let’s not exaggerate and pretend it looks like Luhrman’s The Great Gastby.

    Plus, AMPAS (and the industry at large, considering his awards background in TV) certainly isn’t among those bothered by Hopper directorial flourishes, so, what I don’t understand at all, is doubting its Oscar chances after this trailer. This trailer reinforces them, save for Crowe’s. Its first part keeps the intimate emotional punch of the first trailer with Fantine’s plight, and what’s new is the second part, the more epic one, with “One Day More” and “Do You Hear The People Sing”, which seem rendered with all the epic and spectacle that’s needed. This looks even more AMPAS-like than the first one. Artistic quibbles I understand even though I think you’re overstating them. But quibbles about its Oscar potential come only from fans of other Oscar movies that desperately want this to fail, because this looks even better for Oscars than before, giving us Oscar vibes for Seyfried and Redmayne.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McTeague View Post

    Plus, AMPAS (and the industry at large, considering his awards background in TV) certainly isn’t among those bothered by Hopper directorial flourishes, so, what I don’t understand at all, is doubting its Oscar chances after this trailer. This trailer reinforces them, save for Crowe’s. Its first part keeps the intimate emotional punch of the first trailer with Fantine’s plight, and what’s new is the second part, the more epic one, with “One Day More” and “Do You Hear The People Sing”, which seem rendered with all the epic and spectacle that’s needed. This looks even more AMPAS-like than the first one. Artistic quibbles I understand even though I think you’re overstating them. But quibbles about its Oscar potential come only from fans of other Oscar movies that desperately want this to fail, because this looks even better for Oscars than before, giving us Oscar vibes for Seyfried and Redmayne.
    I agree with this SO much. Like, I honestly couldn't believe what a few of you guys wrote in the previous pages. This will go down as a new Phantom of the Opera, wtf?

    You may have personal problems and quibbles with Hooper's style and the technicalities of the film through this trailer, but don't believe for a second that just because you do, the AMPAS will too. This looks just like all his other projects so why would awardgroups suddenly turn against it now?

    They'll love it.

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    Phantom of the Opera? No. Not even in the question. And those proclaiming it as such are engaging in gross hyperbole.

    Nine? Dreamgirls? Both musicals at one point considered to be a frontrunner if not the frontrunner of the race, with Oscar-calibre directors at the helm that wound up being disappointments and eventually received a handful of Academy award nods (one of those in a year with ten nominees, mind you). That's certainly possible in my eyes.

    EDIT: In fact now that I think about it a bit, the Dreamgirls comparison is probably very valid in terms of its eventual Oscar performance, given that Hathaway is still the frontrunner for Supporting Actress. At least that's how I see the race at the moment.

    The only place where the comparison fails, admittedly, is that Les Miz is a much more acclaimed source material versus Nine or Dreamgirls, certainly more in line with Phantom in terms of its popularity. But the film versions will be night and day difference.

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    Well there's a big difference between Nine and Dreamgirls, but I do agree that I'm gradually beginning to flirt with the idea that this isn't going to be the best thing ever. I don't think it'll be bad, or even mediocre, but Argo and Lincoln seem like better bets for the Best Picture win at the moment. We know they are hugely acclaimed with mega box office. We don't know if either of those will happen for Les Mis, and that last trailer didn't give me much confidence. Still, I'll continue to predict it in most major categories until we get actual word. The source material, director, and actors all do inspire confidence...

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    Well, I have never been big fan of this film nor the genre in general. But even I admit that people hoping this is the next Phantom of the Opera are delusional at best. This will do much better both in critics and industry reception and I am sure box office wise.


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    I thought the trailers for TKS and Midnight in Paris were horrible but the films ended up being great & also popular.

    But I don't really get the hate for this trailer, I think it looks quite good. I'm hoping for another great musical. There hasn't been one in a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darbicus View Post
    Phantom of the Opera? No. Not even in the question. And those proclaiming it as such are engaging in gross hyperbole.

    Nine? Dreamgirls? Both musicals at one point considered to be a frontrunner if not the frontrunner of the race, with Oscar-calibre directors at the helm that wound up being disappointments and eventually received a handful of Academy award nods (one of those in a year with ten nominees, mind you). That's certainly possible in my eyes.

    EDIT: In fact now that I think about it a bit, the Dreamgirls comparison is probably very valid in terms of its eventual Oscar performance, given that Hathaway is still the frontrunner for Supporting Actress. At least that's how I see the race at the moment.

    The only place where the comparison fails, admittedly, is that Les Miz is a much more acclaimed source material versus Nine or Dreamgirls, certainly more in line with Phantom in terms of its popularity. But the film versions will be night and day difference.
    I think Dreamgirls has fared better in the memories of the NYC theater elites than Les Miz has, but I suppose Les Miz is more prestigious to the general public. Les Miz had the misfortunate of being big, foreign, and running too long. Therefore it will never be a critical favorite.

    Great. Now who's going to watch Sunday Rose on SAG night??

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    Sets and techs look okay, nobody sounds like Rex Harrison. Other than that, it's impossible to say anyhing defnitive based on what we've seen so far.

    Except that Samantha Barks is beauuuutiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McTeague View Post
    Because those who have been biased against the project all year, plus those who have a grudge against Hooper for 2010, are exaggerating everything? Not sure why so many people are failing to acknowledge this.

    Look, despite all my tongue-in-check fanboy-ness, which I exaggerate on purpose, I’m very aware this won’t be a groundbreaking visual cinematic exquisiteness. This won’t be the next “Satantango”. It’s not a matter of opposing high-brow to anything or of deriding auteur film by calling it snob, or anything, you know me well and I adore my Tarrs and my Wheerasethakuls.

    I think the original show is a musical theatre masterpiece because it basically amplified all the innovations introduced during the 60’s and 70’s in the genre into an epic popular production that was masterful in everything it set out to do. Kinda like what “Gone with the Wind” did with everything Hollywood had been learning and improving since the talkies appeared, distilling it in an epic filmic experience that was a pinnacle of popular art, a true filmic equivalent to cathedrals and pyramids. To me, Les Mis is the “Gone with the Wind” of musical theatre, and you know how much I love that film.

    In fact, it pushes so much the boundaries of stage spectacle and stage narrative breath and scope, that I think it begged for becoming a film, that allows the definitive expansion of that spectacle and that narrative. I had goosebumps reading the script because it had everything it needed to clarify in cinematic terms a narrative that was so condensed on the stage that many found certain plot points confusing. The script, just by describing a shot that must be included here and there, clarifies everything without making the narrative any longer, in cinematic terms. Reading it I thought they had exactly done what I felt the show needed: using the tools of film to really make that narrative scope work. Now it still tells a sprawling story filled with events, characters and webs of relations, and with the same intensity given by condensing it in three hours, but without the stage limits that made some of those events confusing.

    So, visually, really, I only expect that Hooper doesn’t fuck it up, and brings the spectacle. Yes, I would have preferred Martin Scorsese’s Les Miserables, but I think Hooper is good enough. He may not be a visionary or an exquisite “visualizer”, but he knows how to do epic spectacle and how to reach and display the motional core of a story. I mean, he made a story about reading a speech on the radio incredibly moving and without doing so in a distasteful or overly manipulative manner. I had many visual quibbles with “The King’s Speech”, but overall the balance of Hooper’s direction was quite positive.

    This time, yeah, I have quibbles too. I don’t know why the clothes of the Thenardieres are so colourful and garish or why they have to be blond (although, according to the script, it seems they’ve set the Cosette child scene during Christmas, so that may explain the red things Bonham Carter is wearing). Yes, the cinematography looks slightly more colourful than I had imagined (the stage show is a very grey-brown show, which gives a very expressive and appropriate gloomy feeling). And yes, maybe Hooper moves the camera more than needed. But you guys are exaggerating it. Have you seen the stage show? It’s something hyper-kinetic: the stage was a spinning one, for chrissakes. The décor is on wheels, entering and leaving the stage while the floor spins because the interior of a café is being built while the buildings and bridge of a street are still on the stage, disappearing. The story is constantly changing from point of view, from location, characters are constantly entering and leaving… I didn’t expect anything but a constantly moving camera. There’s really little chance. It’s a kinetic spectacle and it’s normal and good Hooper is moving the camera from one character to another. For instance, in the scene in the trailer when they’re firing her, you have three minutes to explain that Fantine works in a factory where a group of workers is jealous of her, that the foreman wants to make sexual advances on her, that she has a child she has to keep on her own, you also have to have Valjean appear and explain how he’s gone from ex-convict to owner of a factory, and at the same time Javert is arriving to the town, while the beggars in the walls of said town sing about their misery, and because Valjean is seeing through a window that Javert is coming, he doesn’t have the time to attend the problem with Fantine, and as a result Fantine is unfairly fired without Valjean realising it. There’s no way but have tons of POV shots in different angles, some of which will obviously be canted (Valjean is one second looking through a window placed above him and looking at the workers placed below him, under the stairs). And yes, the camera will be moving frenzied between all these groups of characters.

    The visual horrors Jackson did in the LOTR (none of which you were criticizing guys until I arrived here) had less to do with the constantly moving camera, that was necessary many times, than with the soft focus, the glows, the slo-mo and the genral corn. Yes, some of those helicopter shots filled with garish CGI were ugly too, but I would have never started the crusade against Jackson style I started had those been the only problem. And Hooper here doesn’t use those, anyways.

    Also, most of the sweeping camera movements and canted angles we see in the trailer are in the barricades scenes. Look at the 1934 version by Raymond Bernard and you’ll see how an orgy of canted angles looks. This is an epic fight with guns and cannons and barricades and explosions. If a canted angle is going to allow to include in the frame the whole line of rifles pointing in one direction while keeping Marius in close-up, I’m all for it. Diagonal lines in wide-screen compositions in battle scenes always work.

    So, really. Are there some Hopperisms that can annoy some? Sure. But let’s not exaggerate and pretend it looks like Luhrman’s The Great Gastby.

    Plus, AMPAS (and the industry at large, considering his awards background in TV) certainly isn’t among those bothered by Hopper directorial flourishes, so, what I don’t understand at all, is doubting its Oscar chances after this trailer. This trailer reinforces them, save for Crowe’s. Its first part keeps the intimate emotional punch of the first trailer with Fantine’s plight, and what’s new is the second part, the more epic one, with “One Day More” and “Do You Hear The People Sing”, which seem rendered with all the epic and spectacle that’s needed. This looks even more AMPAS-like than the first one. Artistic quibbles I understand even though I think you’re overstating them. But quibbles about its Oscar potential come only from fans of other Oscar movies that desperately want this to fail, because this looks even better for Oscars than before, giving us Oscar vibes for Seyfried and Redmayne.
    You betta stan!

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    This will go up against Django! LMAO

    I love it...This has the potential to bomb.

    I'm in no way afraid to acknowledge my hate for Hooper.

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    Anne has the oscar in her bag, deal sealed

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    Just saw the UK trailer - loved it! Granted, I don't share the local hatred for Tom Hooper - so this looks like a dream come true.

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    this trailer plays so MUCH BETTER on the big screen ... the audience reaction was extremely positive too.

    Oh Lord Jesus, Anne Hathaway's winning an oscah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donezo View Post
    She has more to do than Amanda Seyfried will in Les Miz. Like.....Cosette is just not a part that is going to get a ton of number ones with two baitier performances in that category from the same film. Granted, I don't think Adams or Seyfried will make it in the end. Barks/Field/Hathaway/Hunt/Smith looks pretty good to me.
    Yeah that's my predicted lineup as well.

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    I looking forward to this movie actually ,I think Hathaway can sing very well ,she was great in the first trailer ,Seyfried is good too " Mama Mia " LOL, Jackman convinced me as Oscar host and Crowe we´ll see .He sounds a bit weaker than the others but it´s a trailer and the sound was a bit strange ,maybe he´ll surprise us all .
    I just found this and he would have been probably good too as Javert .He actually can act ,he did singing on stage and in movies and he seemingly was intersted in the part but.....it´s only Gary Oldman

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    I think this will get a whole shit load of nominations but I'm not sure about the wins. There surely seems to be a lot of Les Mis fanboys/girls but what makes me cautious here is that not everyone like musicals. Here we will get a dose of history with songs and a first rate cast but I am feeling that most AMPAS voters will prefer their history lesson with Lincoln or Argo. Even Hathaway, who seems to be the frontrunner at this point may find herself vulnerable. I would not be surprised if Sally Fields takes home her 3rd golden boy on Oscar night.

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