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    Yes! In the space of 7 minutes or so, the number of Rachel solos this season tripled. And they were gorgeous and amazing.

    Though there was also egregious lesbian hate because that's how Murphy rolls.

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    I haven't watched Glee since the break-up episode and I was told by friends about Sam and Brittany. I Don't really care about storylines anymore, but knowing that the writers used the line "love is love" to defend an oppressed white blonde straight couple from angry lesbians makes want to throw up a bit. For a show that's consistently patting itself on the back for being progressive, Glee never ceases to amaze me in its double standards and misogyny. I'm glad the show in tanking in ratings and I hope it gets cancelled.

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    That line and the whole angry lesbians angle was terrible, but I'm glad they have a bisexual character actually acting, you know, bisexual. It's an improvement from the "bisexuality doesn't exist!" storyline from a while back.

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    best performance yet from Colfer. I can imagine Sondheim with a big smile after that.

    some excellent editing/writing with the lyric "mock me with praise".... we see Carmine react to Kurt's delivery. She had mocked him with praise earlier in the episode and he made the line the heart of his performance. vulnerability and trust.

    he's been training.... much stronger. he'll own 'being alive' touring to symphony pops.

    Becky's Prometheus line was a scream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Zeppelin View Post
    I haven't watched Glee since the break-up episode and I was told by friends about Sam and Brittany. I Don't really care about storylines anymore, but knowing that the writers used the line "love is love" to defend an oppressed white blonde straight couple from angry lesbians makes want to throw up a bit. For a show that's consistently patting itself on the back for being progressive, Glee never ceases to amaze me in its double standards and misogyny. I'm glad the show in tanking in ratings and I hope it gets cancelled.
    It's cancellation will be well deserved. Horrible season. As for Brittany/Sam, I would not have minded if

    a) there would have been some resolution to Mercedes/Sam.
    b) if they had not done two massive retcons (Sam wanted Mercedes all along/Santana scared that Sam wanted Brittany)
    c) the Santana/Brittany breakup had been organic (head over heels in love Santana dumps Brittany after a few minutes of screentime)
    d) if Santana and Mercedes was not coming back to Lima seemingly every other episode
    e) if they had not massively dumbed down Sam so he could be Brittany's "soulmate"
    f) if there had been some decent buildup to Brittany and Sam being in love (besides odd soulmate moments where both seem to act out of character - granted Brittany's character changes constantly mattering on what the writers want)
    g) if they had not attacked "angry lesbian bloggers", comments which show a lack of knowledge of that fandom (hint for Ryan Murphy - they aren't even close to all lesbians), comments which show a lack of knowledge about major lesbian bloggers (Riese from Autostraddle, Heather Hogan from AfterEllen) who are as about as calm, thoughtful, and reasoned in their comments as anyone posting on Glee, and comments which frankly come across as bigoted
    h) called out one fandom when the fandom of other couples (Kurt/Blaine, Rachel/Finn, etc.) has it's fair share of fans that go overboard. If one is going meta how about a comment that covers all fandom without a specific attack on one? But no. It is those mean lesbians.

    What is most galling is that Murphy dares to play the victim by acting as if lesbians are vicious biphobic individuals (he doesn't even waste time on Sam/Mercedes fans since Sam/Mercedes apparently were never a couple). If he bothered to read up, he would find those sites such as AfterEllen and Autostraddle condemn the blatant double standards. Those same double standards he unleashed yet again. As with Artie/Brittany, Sam/Brittany kiss in their first episode as a couple. Santana/Brittany waited 44 episodes after they were revealed to be in a sexual relationship and Sam/Mercedes about half a season. Sam/Brittany get a romantic duet in their first episode as a couple. I don't recall either Sam/Mercedes or Brittany/Santana having a romantic duet. Yet in Murphy's mind it is biphobia or vicious lesbians who cannot understand the supposed magic he is unleashing. I know the criticism of "I Kissed A Girl" last season was brutal but that was across the board. Murphy seems to be under the delusion that only lesbians were harshly criticizing that episode. And for some reason, some stubborn reason, he can't seem to comprehend that it is the blatant double standards and the poor handling of Santana's coming out (where Brittany went mute in her girlfriend's life while Finn became a hero for outing someone) that were problematic. When Modern Family rightfully received criticism in season 1 due to Cameron/Mitchell kissing, they did not go meta with an episode attacking "angry gay male bloggers". They comprehended what the problem was and made some effort to correct it.

    Anyways, while many sites gave this pathetic display a pass, some did call it out. The best written was by RophyDoes (who are neither lesbians nor fans of Brittany/Santana).

    Basically, they had Brittany tell us that the only worry she had about moving on from Santana was what the lesbians would think of it because they’re lesbians and Brittany and Santana were in a lesbian relationship. That’s it. Not that she’s still nursing a broken heart. Not that she’s still holding a candle for Santana after a staggering four episodes. Not that she’s afraid no one will ever really make her feel the way Santana did because the two of them were best friends before they were ever lovers. None of that. The mean lesbians are the problem, that’s all.

    That was hurtful enough to Brittana fans, not all of whom are lesbians by the way. Then they went 658 steps further by having her straight-up call the Brittana fanbase crazy bigots. And then they used her as a mouthpiece for their fuckery again, by having her engage in in-show shaming of any negative feelings they might have about Bram. “They know they’re my sisters,” was basically the show bullying the fans from within the script, and it was about the lowest Glee has ever intentionally gone. And this is coming from someone who has defended them time and time again.
    http://www.rophydoes.com/glee-recaps...409-swan-song/
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    So this show just reached new levels of sad with their 'Baby Got Back'/Bluegrass abhorrence. I want to say that it jumped the shark awhile ago but this song and moment are too perfect to deny.

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    directed by Ross Maxwell from their writing staff. apparently his first directing credit... much more calm (for Glee) and quietly charming than any episode I can recall. Would suit me if he continued. Liked the Sadie Hawkins dance sets and Kurt's new love interest. Ushkowitz's "I Don't Know How to Love Him" was lovely."

    The Warblers continue to be the shows best, continuing, deadpan gag.

    Ryan Murphy directing "Naked" next week.

    ldw, I will say it for the umpteenth time, this is a musical comedy, not a drama or a sitcom. By the "rule(s?)" of the genre Sam could get pregnant by Shue and the pregnancy forgotten next episode. The one rule is take a couple of minutes for the repertory company to set up the next number and go. period. Its closest cousin, since Vaudeville died, is British pantomime.

    Even if it's canceled tomorrow Glee is arguably the most successful musical comedy ever. They are ephemeral. The fact that a representative of the genre was even considered for awards is remarkable.

    ya like it or ya don't. so what?

    my guess is that the show's loss of popularity is much more about musical tastes among 13 year old girls than all the drama crit bs.
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    I'm sorry Bob, but it does not matter how many times you claim that Glee is beyond criticism. It isn't true. Plotting and character development and the quality of the music may not matter to you. But those things are fair game for the rest of us.

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    My musical taste generally does not hold in a favorable light those who blatantly steal other people's arrangements and then defend their talentless, shameless theft by saying they are "within their legal rights."

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    Looks like the show will break the iTunes T10 for the first time in months (for at least a few hours) with Let Me Love You, as it's #11 while Yolo steadily declines and Suit & Tie slowly does. Surprising, given all the #1s they've been covering, while the original by Ne-Yo never even hit the Digital T10.

    So far this season, T3 Vocals: Being Good Isn't Good Enough - Rachel
    O Holy Night - Rachel
    Give Your Heart a Break - Rachel, Brody
    T3 Visuals: Love Song - Rachel, Quinn, Santana (Even though Rachel's paths to friendship with them were really aggravating - both bullied her for years, while Rachel kept pushing and pushing for a Quinn friendship until it finally came true and after sharing one duet Rachel/Santana decided they were suddenly friends - they're all so pretty together. And each of them had really pretty solo parts in the song, even if the chorus was meh.)
    The Way You Look Tonight/You're Never Fully Dressed - Rachel, Kurt, Emmy Winner Sarah Jessica Parker
    Torn - Rachel, Rachel's High School Self (I really like the idea/image of Rachel singing with Rachel.)

    Also, this episode, the preview with Santana saying "please don't tell my mom," and Santana getting 3 songs next episode all point to Santana Joins Rachel & Kurt in NY. Making it even easier to find the only watchable parts of each episode.
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    Santana finally moving to NYC! "Girl On Fire" has to be one of my favorite numbers from Season 4.
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    Tina mounting Blaine and smearing vapor rub on his chest while he's passed out on cold medication is perhaps the single worst thing the show has ever done.




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    Quote Originally Posted by erikdean View Post
    Tina mounting Blaine and smearing vapor rub on his chest while he's passed out on cold medication is perhaps the single worst thing the show has ever done.
    I didn't think it was that bad. I though Finn kissing Emma was definitely one of the low points of this season.
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    Finn kissed EMMA?!

    Lol, I'm glad I don't watch this anymore.

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    People still watch this shit? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by erikdean View Post
    Tina mounting Blaine and smearing vapor rub on his chest while he's passed out on cold medication is perhaps the single worst thing the show has ever done.
    Quote Originally Posted by RayB View Post
    Finn kissed EMMA?!

    Lol, I'm glad I don't watch this anymore.


    These just reminded me why I stopped watching.


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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyDarling View Post
    I didn't think it was that bad. I though Finn kissing Emma was definitely one of the low points of this season.
    At least Emma was awake.

    What Tina did was rapey and vile. It really grossed me out. But then, her entire character now is truly the worst on the show. I mean, I of all people know how fruit flys work and especially in high school. But, I've never felt they've found the right tone for her in this storyline.




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    So the show goes further off the rails this week. Rachel triangle, and maybe pregnancy...didn't they do a whole season of this with Quinn? Also, they try pushing the Worst Couple Ever some more because Brody is possibly now a whore.
    Kurt triangle. Marley back to triangle. Will's only friends are teenagers.

    And Santana/Quinn sex even though one episode ago Santana was fighting for Brittany's love. And I'm sure this disappoints those who've wanted Rachel/Quinn.
    I hope Murphy's ready for this show to end next year.
    Last edited by jjj; 02-14-2013 at 10:03 PM.

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    Um. Instant gut reaction? Most things about that shooting episode upset me.

    At first I was upset in the way the show intended: the intensity of the kids all huddled in the choir room with no musical score was eerie.

    But then...they went there with that nonsense with Sue and Becky and WHAT. Ugh. What a bizarre and emotionally unsatisfying twist. Considering how close to home and emotionally volatile WE ALL feel about the subject of school shootings, the explanation of what happened really bothered me. If you're going to go there, then go there.

    And then there was no payoff to Ryder's catfishing saga. I feel jipped. At least all of the actors were pretty great in this one.

    Was the entire episode just an excuse to write Jane Lynch off the show? She should've asked to leave two years ago.
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    I wasn't bothered by Sue protecting Becky. I was bothered by the mega implication that only mentally handicapped individuals bring guns to school. Yes, I know most of the shooters have had signs of some mental disorder, but REALLY? REALLY? You had to make the down syndrome girl the shooter?

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