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Thread: The Dark Knight Rises (2012) [SPOILERS ARE FAIR GAME]

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    Senior Member Kargo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voyeur View Post
    Sorry you were disappointed Kargo. I think the movie is quite a bit deeper than you suggest. There's actually quite a bit going on around the characters. The motivation behind Bane and Talia are basically the same as Ra's, just more personal to Talia. To suggest the film is "trying" to deliver a message misses the point. I don't believe Nolan had an agenda that got muddled. I think he was simply portraying a world that is somewhat familiar to us. That's it. To ask this movie to do any more than it already does makes one wonder what the big deal is about regarding such films as The Avengers and Skyfall. Two films that are fun, but so empty they seem like cotton candy to TDKR's t-bone steak.
    Well that's the problem,Ra's wanted to destroy Gotham because he thought that the city was beyond saving,it was an incredibly corrupt city where the mob ruled,the police was almost entirely corrupted,DA's and judges were killed regularly.Thanks to the Dent act,in TDKR the city was reborn,there was no organized crime to quote Blake ''we're going to chase people who don't return their books in the library''.That's the reason the major wants Gordon to retire.There's no need for him when it's a time of peace for the city.The only counter argument could be that the peace was successful only because of a lie but neither Bane nor Talia knew that,they found that way into their plan when Gordon conveniently had his speech with him.

    I really dislike the script because out of every possible reason,motive,ideology,Nolan choose cardboard villain suicide revenge plot that made no sense.Had Bane actually cared for a revolution and the people of Gotham then the film would have been a lot stronger for it.When i read that the Nolan's were inspired by The Tale of Two Cities,i was very excited because the book turns the tables on morality.The oppressed become the oppressors.The film used the book only as a visual homage(the courtroom scenes,etc) but had nothing from the complexity and ambivalence of it.Bane was basically a psycho who did everything for his not-to-be-lover.Talia was a deluded environmentalist who was destroying her father's ideology every step of the way.She basically wanted to kill x-million of people because one person killed her father,the same father that she abandoned and didn't spoke to until he was dead.The same father that expelled her guardian from the league of shadows.

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    Senior Member Voyeur's Avatar
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    Even if this were a cardboard villain suicide revenge plot, it still feels to me like a more believable plot than almost every other comic book movie out there. I think the screenplay is about as good as something like this can get. One of my prior posts included an article from whatculture that does a much better job than I at going into the depth of The Dark Knight Rises.

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    Senior Member Panther2000's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voyeur View Post
    Sorry you were disappointed Kargo. I think the movie is quite a bit deeper than you suggest. There's actually quite a bit going on around the characters. The motivation behind Bane and Talia are basically the same as Ra's, just more personal to Talia. To suggest the film is "trying" to deliver a message misses the point. I don't believe Nolan had an agenda that got muddled. I think he was simply portraying a world that is somewhat familiar to us. That's it. To ask this movie to do any more than it already does makes one wonder what the big deal is about regarding such films as The Avengers and Skyfall. Two films that are fun, but so empty they seem like cotton candy to TDKR's t-bone steak.
    I thought that the movie was good but, a bit too heavy handed and they kept bashing you over the head with it eventhough the country was going through alot of Crap at the time, Still.

    I think that it will be a No Brainer that they movie gets a BP nod( a pass pretty much for DK not gettting a nod) but a win NO, I think that Lincoln has that locked down.
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    Noli Me Tangere lazarus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panther2000 View Post
    I think that it will be a No Brainer that they movie gets a BP nod.

    This is in no way a sure thing. Wouldn't bother me as it's no more flawed than other contenders I've seen (Silver Linings, Lincoln, etc.). But I will still be surprised if it happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lazarus View Post
    This is in no way a sure thing. Wouldn't bother me as it's no more flawed than other contenders I've seen (Silver Linings, Lincoln, etc.). But I will still be surprised if it happens.
    Yeah, I think that it will make the list.
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