Breaking Bad season 5 (Here be spoilers)

[lazarus]

We're not saying that he's not without human feelings and thoughts, but at this point, his terrible misdeeds far outweigh the good that he has done. And he isn't redeemable for being sorry for killing someone.

Obviously his misdeeds are too great compared to what he originally intended (to leave money for his family after his death). I'm not saying the guy is a hero. I just think the bloodlust and hatred here is a little out of proportion to what I'm seeing on screen.

"Redeemable" is a subjective concept anyway. In the eyes of god? His wife? Jesse? I think the ability to feel remorse, compassion, love, etc. shows that he's not a complete monster. That's all I'm saying. In my opinion, Gus and the cartel people were far worse. The most disgusting thing Walt did IMO, letting Jane die while watched, was arguably justified (in his mind) by his belief that she was dragging Jesse down with her into a pit of abuse, and the fact that she had already tried to blackmail him.

[bryan1311]

What did Gus do that Walt hasn't or at least shown the capability of doing, exactly?

Obviously there is still a fragment or a sliver of the man we saw in the first season, but he's pretty much a monster at this point. Just because he can compartmentalize around his family/friends doesn't change that fact, in my mind. Are all of his actions "justifiable", in his mind or otherwise? Sure, I suppose so. Doesn't make many of them any less deplorable.

[lazarus]

I don't think there was a legitimate justification for Gus to kill Walter and Jesse and replace them with Gale.

Or Gus showing up regularly to mentally torture the old man.

Walt's not a sadist. Even his last "lecture" to Jesse was in service of retaining his companionship.

[GR3]

So he's redeemed because he finally gave Jesse the money he deserved? I don't think so.

And Skyler had to practically beat him over the head with the fact that they can't launder any more money for him to say no.

He's still a vile, selfish, monster of a human being and nothing will redeem him.

During the montage, he was clearly getting tired of cooking meth. It was becoming a chore to him.

[jjj]

Wow. Just wow. Dean Norris is totally getting an Emmy for next season.

I wonder if there is a limit to the Emmy love of the show. It already looks to next month become the 1st drama to win 6 Emmys for its lead/supporting males. People are thinking Banks might win for this season, and Cranston and Norris for next season? It would seem weird for the record for most main cast drama male wins to go from 5 to 9 (or so) especially for just 62 episodes of work.

[lazarus]

Crass and obvious, but I giggled:

[affy18]

I don't think there was a legitimate justification for Gus to kill Walter and Jesse and replace them with Gale.

Or Gus showing up regularly to mentally torture the old man.

Walt's not a sadist. Even his last "lecture" to Jesse was in service of retaining his companionship.

Eh, Walt has become a sociopath? Just because Cranston is an actor of much pathos and emotional sensitivity, it doesn't take away the horribly sociopathic and vile nature of his character. And the way he rationalizes every unjustified action for his own egotistical purposes is disgusting.

[Moviefreak]

So the fact that Walt gave Jesse the money that he owed him and told Skyler he was out of the business is somehow this great mea culpa in the face that all he's done?
Despite the fact that most likely, he's only done all of it because he's dying again.

Bullshit.

The episode was great, but Walt's actions in no way, shape, or form mean that he's redeemable as a human being.
He is, as Hank said, a monster.

Yes. Absolutely.

So this was, of course, perfect and epic in every way. The meth montage with "Crystal Blue Persuasion" was Scorsese-worthy, completely amazing.

I agree, in general I think the visuals in this episode were fantastic.

This was excellent! The last five minutes, pre-bathroom, were absurdly tense given nothing was actually happening.

Yes. I was so nervous during that entire scene, thinking something will happen with the kids.

[lazarus]

Eh, Walt has become a sociopath? Just because Cranston is an actor of much pathos and emotional sensitivity, it doesn't take away the horribly sociopathic and vile nature of his character. And the way he rationalizes every unjustified action for his own egotistical purposes is disgusting.

Once again, I'll reiterate that some of the posters here act like Walt doesn't have a decent bone left in his body anymore and is incapable of any human emotion or good act.

And I just don't think it's that black and white. It's not just about Cranston, it's how he's written.

[affy18]

Once again, I'll reiterate that some of the posters here act like Walt doesn't have a decent bone left in his body anymore and is incapable of any human emotion or good act.

And I just don't think it's that black and white. It's not just about Cranston, it's how he's written.

I don't think Walt doesn't have a decent bone left in his body or that he's completely irredeemable. He definitely cares AT LEAST for his children but any goodness he might have is seriously compromised by his reprehensible actions and behavior.

I just think it's kind of really tragic that he realizes so late in the game, after he's committed so many horrible acts, that building an empire really doesn't fulfill or make him any happier than he was before and that no rationalization can measure to that feeling of emptiness.

His "redemption", if there's any, should be fascinating to watch, though.

[GR3]

[lazarus]

I don't think Walt doesn't have a decent bone left in his body or that he's completely irredeemable. He definitely cares AT LEAST for his children but any goodness he might have is seriously compromised by his reprehensible actions and behavior.

I just think it's kind of really tragic that he realizes so late in the game, after he's committed so many horrible acts, that building an empire really doesn't fulfill or make him any happier than he was before and that no rationalization can measure to that feeling of emptiness.

His "redemption", if there's any, should be fascinating to watch, though.

This seems a lot more balanced than what I've been reading from most people. My thoughts exactly.

[Jonathan]

I have been wondering how exactly Hank is going to approach this, and if there's even a way for him to get out of it clean. There probably isn't, unfortunately.

[GR3]

[Jonathan]

http://society6.com/BrianDeYoungIllu...senbergs_Print

[GR3]

For the Alex Turner fans:





not sure why he needed the extra makeup

[Dent]

So, the final eight episodes are taking a...surprising turn into a new format:

http://instagram.com/p/Uxi0nkOIEf/

[Melllvar]

First Adventure Time, then Breaking Bad? Cartoon Network sure has their work cut out for them.

[erikdean]

The Jesse Pinkman BITCH montage:

[dyedred19]

Jane Kaczmarek has been confirmed for two episodes next season, confirming that Breaking Bad is just a Malcolm In The Middle continuation.