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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Bay View Post
    If Lee's movies were half as entertaining and good as Tarantino's, he d get a big budget.

    And Lee should learn humility, he made a fortune in a ridicluous trial where he used powerful lawyers to take advantage of the flawed american justice system.
    1) You're insane
    2) Spike Lee has made some brilliant, incredibly entertaining movies
    3) See #1




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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Bay View Post
    And Lee should learn humility, he made a fortune in a ridicluous trial where he used powerful lawyers to take advantage of the flawed american justice system.
    I have no idea how this is relevant to the discussion, nor do I know what trial this refers to.



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    Quote Originally Posted by erikdean View Post
    Spike Lee has made some brilliant, incredibly entertaining movies
    Well, he's no Michael Bay

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    Quote Originally Posted by erikdean View Post
    1) You're insane
    3) See #1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurelius View Post
    I have no idea how this is relevant to the discussion, nor do I know what trial this refers to.
    Lee complains about black directors and money issues and he became filthy rich with a lawsuit.

    It s cute and all to play the cursed, victimized black artist but he should really get a reality check.

    http://madamenoire.com/110374/spike-...h-distributor/

    What a disgrace, and this guy can't help but opening his big mouth about morals.

    Give me a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Bay View Post
    Lee complains about black directors and money issues and he became filthy rich with a lawsuit.

    It s cute and all to play the cursed, victimized black artist but he should really get a reality check.

    http://madamenoire.com/110374/spike-...h-distributor/

    What a disgrace, and this guy can't help but opening his big mouth about morals.

    Give me a break.
    How is that a disgrace on Lee's part if that Distributor didn't honor their contract?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Bay View Post
    Lee complains about black directors and money issues and he became filthy rich with a lawsuit.

    It s cute and all to play the cursed, victimized black artist but he should really get a reality check.

    http://madamenoire.com/110374/spike-...h-distributor/

    What a disgrace, and this guy can't help but opening his big mouth about morals.

    Give me a break.
    So because he's filthy rich he can't complain about getting a budget for his films? He should just pay for them out of his own pocket? Which he did for Miracle of St. Anna, by the way.

    And 'filthy rich' is a bit of an overstatement. If you read the HR article, he himself was awarded $1M, with $29M going to his production company. Which is his, sure, but that doesn't mean he automatically gets that money.

    Also, TF1 broke their agreement, so he was within his rights to sue them. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that. I also don't see how he made use of a 'flawed American justice system', when he and his production company were awarded the sum in a French courtroom.

    Again: idiot.



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    I feel like you're this close to calling Spike Lee "uppity", Michael_Bay.

    :|

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan1311 View Post
    How is that a disgrace on Lee's part if that Distributor didn't honor their contract?
    Maybe because the settlement amount is ridiculous ?

    Like yeah, if the distributor had released the movie, it would have break out like Avatar anfd Lee would have millions.

    NOT.

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    Lol, you're fucking ridiculous.

    I'm sure if you were making a film and the distributor reneged on the contract you would be very forgiving and say, "Eh, no big deal."


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    Quote Originally Posted by bryan1311 View Post
    Lol, you're fucking ridiculous.

    I'm sure if you were making a film and the distributor reneged on the contract you would be very forgiving and say, "Eh, no big deal."

    46 millions, are you kidding me ?

    Even Cameron didn't win as much for Titanic ( biggest box office hit of all time adjusted world wide)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Bay View Post
    Maybe because the settlement amount is ridiculous ?

    Like yeah, if the distributor had released the movie, it would have break out like Avatar anfd Lee would have millions.

    NOT.
    Given the fact that the film already cost $45M to make, as the HR article states, the lawsuit barely got the film out of the red. So far for the Lee making millions part of this.

    And this is the gamble you take as a distributor. You pay a sum of money to the filmmakers/production company, and then hope to make more than you put into it. Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn't.

    You also seem to forget that $16M of that sum is what TF1 already owed him, as part of their agreement.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Bay View Post
    46 millions, are you kidding me ?

    Even Cameron didn't win as much for Titanic ( biggest box office hit of all time adjusted world wide)
    Actually, you're as wrong as you can be:

    http://www.celebritynetworth.com/ric...ron-net-worth/

    The largest payday Cameron ever had was on Titanic. After the movie had gone way over budget, he agreed to trade in his $8 million directing fee in exchange for backend profits. This turned out to be a VERY wise move that netted him over $650 million.




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    Quote Originally Posted by erikdean View Post
    Actually, you're as wrong as you can be:

    http://www.celebritynetworth.com/ric...ron-net-worth/
    Can you imagine the studio head rubbing his hands after that deal. "That's the quickest $8M I've ever earned the company!"



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    Quote Originally Posted by McTeague View Post
    Sorry for picking up the tangent, but I don’t think this shuld remain un-discussed:



    I’ve never read any complaints about there not being any actual Italians involved in the writing of Romeo and Juliet, and in the first productions held in London there weren’t Italian theatre impresarios either! Scandal!

    Shouldn’t race stop being such a huge taboo? Why can’t Asians write and direct films about white people, African-Americans about Asians and so on? Precious wasn’t any less trashy and embarrassing because it was written and directed by a black guy, and people of all nationalities and races have been producing art about people of other races and nationalities since art exists. As long as it’s not offensive, there’s ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that. And you can’t decide if it’s offensive until you’ve seen the damn thing.
    You must spread some reputation before giving it to McTeague again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erikdean View Post
    Um, yes.

    Lee is completely right in his frustration about this. Not seeing or knowing that makes you (unsurprisingly) ignorant to an reality.
    That's ignorant. Given the state of Hollywood, only a couple of directors can get a big budget to make a Western, let alone a slavery movie. Zemeckis and Denzel had to waive their fees just to make Flight.


    Lee doesn't want white people making black movies. Look at how upset he got at Spielberg for The Color Purple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McTeague View Post
    Sorry for picking up the tangent, but I don’t think this shuld remain un-discussed:



    I’ve never read any complaints about there not being any actual Italians involved in the writing of Romeo and Juliet, and in the first productions held in London there weren’t Italian theatre impresarios either! Scandal!

    Shouldn’t race stop being such a huge taboo? Why can’t Asians write and direct films about white people, African-Americans about Asians and so on? Precious wasn’t any less trashy and embarrassing because it was written and directed by a black guy, and people of all nationalities and races have been producing art about people of other races and nationalities since art exists. As long as it’s not offensive, there’s ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that. And you can’t decide if it’s offensive until you’ve seen the damn thing.
    Dude if you don't see a huge fucking difference between Italians and a story set in Italy and black people's feelings regarding SLAVERY then you are really incredibly ignorant. I don't know how little education you have on race relations in America but this comparison is ridiculous and offensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McTeague View Post
    Sorry for picking up the tangent, but I don’t think this shuld remain un-discussed:



    I’ve never read any complaints about there not being any actual Italians involved in the writing of Romeo and Juliet, and in the first productions held in London there weren’t Italian theatre impresarios either! Scandal!

    Shouldn’t race stop being such a huge taboo? Why can’t Asians write and direct films about white people, African-Americans about Asians and so on? Precious wasn’t any less trashy and embarrassing because it was written and directed by a black guy, and people of all nationalities and races have been producing art about people of other races and nationalities since art exists. As long as it’s not offensive, there’s ABSOLUTELY nothing wrong with that. And you can’t decide if it’s offensive until you’ve seen the damn thing.
    While I agree with smonie and not Michael Bay, these analogies really don't work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kitkat View Post
    Dude if you don't see a huge fucking difference between Italians and a story set in Italy and black people's feelings regarding SLAVERY then you are really incredibly ignorant. I don't know how little education you have on race relations in America but this comparison is ridiculous and offensive.
    The comparison maybe is not the best but I find it baffling that a white guy can be critisized for making a movie about racial issues. Like, only gay men can make films about gays? It has no sense whatsoever to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GR3 View Post
    That's ignorant. Given the state of Hollywood, only a couple of directors can get a big budget to make a Western, let alone a slavery movie. Zemeckis and Denzel had to waive their fees just to make Flight.


    Lee doesn't want white people making black movies. Look at how upset he got at Spielberg for The Color Purple.
    Fuck you. That's fucking idiotic, and exactly to the point.




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