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OscarsFan 2.3
03-23-2010, 02:01 PM
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Like RRA, I am an unabashedly unashamed horror fan (I would like to think the biggest after him and Blasty). The first film I ever saw - albeit a TV edit - was A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master (that, Blasty, if I never answered it before is the primary reason why the "roach motel" sequence disturbs me as much as it does) when I was four years old.

For a horror series, Nightmare did end up being the most constant series on the block (although Hellraiser had its moments, primarily with the first three sequels and, to an extent, the DTV Hellseeker).

A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET - the best of the best. Even today, with its slightly outdated effects, it still manages to instill a sense of dread about what happens to you the moment you turn your bedside lights off, pull those covers over you and close your eyes. While the film will never be cited for its acting, that little imperfection is made up with passion, primarily from Heather Langenkamp as Nancy, a primary face of feminine empowerment alongside the likes of Laurie Strode or Kirsty Cotton. Charles Bernstein's primarily-synth score is still a chiller for a good Halloween party. (5/5)

A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET 2: FREDDY'S REVENGE - what the hell was New Line thinking? This question goes two ways: the whole plot itself (Freddy attempting to infiltrate reality) and the casting of the distractingly effeminate Mark Patton. Take out Freddy and make it into an allegory to a young man dealing with his sexual identity, it would have been a decent movie; but if I had to hear Mark Patton say "He's trying to get inside me" one more time, I would have screamed louder and more girlie than he did. Freddy does have his moments where he proves to be somewhat scarier than he was in the original, but those moments can't salvage the majority of a great (or bad) drinking game idea for a gay old Saturday night. Easily the worst of the Nightmare series. (2/5)

A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET 3: DREAM WARRIORS - of the non-Craven Nightmares, this one proves to be the best sequel. A great mix of horror and humor, Freddy gets his best line (and gimmicks) in the whole series, the cast proves to be genuinely likable and the dream style proves to be as memorable. (4/5)

A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET 4: THE DREAM MASTER - just to get it out of my system as quickly as humanly possible: yes, I am still afraid to this day of the roach motel sequence and it is the primary - ridiculous, I will admit; but at least its not Creepshow - reason why I had to knock it down a grade, but as I got older, I started to dig The Dream Master a little more. It has the most likable (and somewhat relatable) characters of the series; Englund is at the top of the Freddy game here in looks, glove design and acting (unlike Blasty, my somewhat token horror actor to make my top 10 that year was Kenneth Cranham in Hellbound: Hellraiser II); and Craig Safan's score proves to be the most spine-tingling since Bernstein's original. (3/5)

A NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET 5: THE DREAM CHILD - I'll admit, this one gets more flack than it actually deserves. Yes, this is when the jokes really started going overboard and the burn makeup started looking more like a bad Halloween mask, but here, instead of going OVERboard on dreams (though the production design for this one is inspired), the writers and Stephen Hopkins (future Predator 2 helmer) take the time to explore Alice's life post-Dream Master and her friends (though one question I have is: if they're all her best of best friends, where the hell were they when Kristen, Rick and everyone were getting filleted two semesters earlier?). (3/5)

FREDDY'S DEAD: THE FINAL NIGHTMARE - some time ago, I read the original theatrical running time was around 105 minutes while the version that's been circling on VHS and DVD has been slashed down to 85. Maybe in that missing twenty minutes was something that would have made this a more worthwhile film. I do enjoy Freddy's Dead, but more as an afternoon guilty pleasure. The last twenty minutes do make it fun when Maggie (Lisa Zane) starts going to town on daddy with a bow and arrow, the glove and a pipe bomb. (3/5)

WES CRAVEN'S NEW NIGHTMARE - New Nightmare was THIS close to making my top 10 of 1994. Craven's return was a necessary for this series. It all works - acting, story, terror, Freddy, the whole kit-and-kaboodle. Well, maybe not Miko Hughes so much, but we can forgive him. (5/5)

FREDDY VS. JASON - this is one I always have a hard time reviewing as I get older. It's Nightmare characters acting like Friday the 13th characters. Jason DOES get the blood, but Freddy barely gets the glory. I do give the writers points for at least remembering to make Freddy sadistic again, even if character smarts get lost in the process. I'm also disappointed in how Jason appears in this one after the genius appearance in Friday VII: The New Blood. After The New Blood, it seemed as if the makeup artists weren't even trying (though it had its moments in Jason Goes to Hell). (3/5)

Mamma Roma
03-23-2010, 02:20 PM
The original Nightmare On Elm Street is one of my all time favorite films. Nancy is my hero. While the remake, surprisingly looks good, I highly doubt that there will be a female character as compelling as Langencamp's Nancy.

I agree with you that Part 4's score is pretty damn good.

Great thread Oscars Fan 2.3. You can count me among you and Blasty as the biggest horror film fans on AD.

Pingy
03-23-2010, 02:21 PM
You can count me among you and Blasty as the biggest horror film fans on AD.

The f*** ever... :rolleyes:

OscarsFan 2.3
03-23-2010, 02:23 PM
You can count me among you and Blasty as the biggest horror film fans on AD.

Don't forget RRA.

Feel the Soul
03-23-2010, 02:26 PM
:bdp:

OscarsFan 2.3
03-23-2010, 02:28 PM
:bdp:

AND Feel the Soul.

franks
03-23-2010, 03:37 PM
part 2 was terrible and you nailed the issue with the effeminate male lead. i will say that the opening bus scene was fairly terrifying if i remember correctly. i also love how these movies managed to cast 3 of the chicks from just the ten of us.

Aaron Leggo
03-23-2010, 04:21 PM
Like RRA, I am an unabashedly unashamed horror fan (I would like to think the biggest after him and Blasty).

AND Feel the Soul.

Uh... :wave:

Also, I'm glad to hear you think Freddy's Revenge is total crap and the worst of the series, because, well, it is.

McTeague
03-23-2010, 08:09 PM
i also love how these movies managed to cast 3 of the chicks from just the ten of us.

This is the only thing that matters, really.

My main question regarding the opening post is like… how on Earth a film that gets a 5/5 grade from you fails to enter the Top 10 of its year? (see, the comment on The New Nightmare) LOL, do you often see more than ten 5/5 films per year? Some people need to adjust their standards :rolleyes: But of course, I guess The Lion King is in that 1994 Top 10 with another 5/5 grade.

Anyways, I have not seen the last two (The New Nightmare and Freddy vs. Jackson), but of the first 6, the only worth a damn is the first one, because it’s the only one with a good director at the helm. Despite some conventionalism and genre clichés, Craven manages to create a creepy, eerie mood. It’s more entertaining than really scary, but it has unforgettable moments and yes, Heather Langekamp makes a good heroine.

Her spectacular (in a lol but effective way) guest-star entrance in Nightmare 3 is among the best things of that sequel, which is the only one among the sequels that’s somewhat interesting. Dream Warriors has already lost all creepiness and it’s more like a fantasy film with gory elements, but fortunately the imagination put in it kinda rocks (using someone’s veins so to control him as a puppet, yay!) and the story of Freddy’s birth is kinda cool. The thing I remember most of this film is that hot nurse’s tits, which to this day still makes me all horny just by memory. And that kiss with tongue biting is kinda hot too.

The rest may all have a couple of good things going for them (yes, even #2, which has some cool pseudo-psychological elements), but are basically undeniable crap.

lazarus
03-23-2010, 08:17 PM
Anyways, I have not seen the last two (The New Nightmare and Freddy vs. Jackson), but of the first 6, the only worth a damn is the first one, because it’s the only one with a good director at the helm. Despite some conventionalism and genre clichés, Craven manages to create a creepy, eerie mood. It’s more entertaining than really scary, but it has unforgettable moments and yes, Heather Langekamp makes a good heroine.

Her spectacular (in a lol but effective way) guest-star entrance in Nightmare 3 is among the best things of that sequel, which is the only one among the sequels that’s somewhat interesting. Dream Warriors has already lost all creepiness and it’s more like a fantasy film with gory elements, but fortunately the imagination put in it kinda rocks (using someone’s veins so to control him as a puppet, yay!) and the story of Freddy’s birth is kinda cool. The thing I remember most of this film is that hot nurse’s tits, which to this day still makes me all horny just by memory. And that kiss with tongue biting is kinda hot too.

The rest may all have a couple of good things going for them (yes, even #2, which has some cool pseudo-psychological elements), but are basically undeniable crap.

Yes. Though I disagree that the first film isn't scary. That freaked the hell out of me when I first saw it, and this when it came out, before Freddy became a recognizable pop culture figure.

The problem with these sequels is that after the first one, Freddy isn't even scary anymore, and the audience is just rooting for him and looking forward to see the creative ways he will kill off the cast members with Schwarzenegger-type punchlines. That's not horror to me.

At least Michael Myers was never funny, and remained scary throughout the series. I guess you could say the same about Jason but the Friday the 13th films are all uninspired garbage.

Souler
03-23-2010, 09:25 PM
LOL, the second film. Watched that a few years ago with friends. Was pretty stunned when I realized the gayness was apparently intentional. Super-cheesy but at least somewhat interesting for this kind of film? Oh, and the lead actor's apparently out of the closet now.

Feel the Soul
03-23-2010, 11:29 PM
The problem with these sequels is that after the first one, Freddy isn't even scary anymore, and the audience is just rooting for him and looking forward to see the creative ways he will kill off the cast members with Schwarzenegger-type punchlines. That's not horror to me.

I agree with this. The fact that, unlike Jason and Michael, Freddy talks to his victims, jokes, taunts them, makes him very frightening in the original for me (well, not anymore since I've seen it so many times), and while he was kind of goofy even in that film, it was in a really demented, scary way. He kind of loses that in the sequels and just becomes a joke. I do think he retains some of that in Part 2, although the film itself is meh.

I also agree with what McTeague said about Dream Warriors. It becomes more of a fantasy film, which I actually really like, and Langenkamp's return (and John Saxon!), makes the film really enjoyable. That and New Nightmare are definitely my favorite sequels.

Timmer
03-24-2010, 02:42 AM
The best part of the series?

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This nurse spitting tongues out to lash the nerd to his bed. Awesome stuff.

OscarsFan 2.3
03-24-2010, 11:06 AM
LOL, the second film. Watched that a few years ago with friends. Was pretty stunned when I realized the gayness was apparently intentional. Super-cheesy but at least somewhat interesting for this kind of film? Oh, and the lead actor's apparently out of the closet now.

I never knew he was in it. ;)

Now is it me or does Kim Myers (Lisa in NOES2) look like a younger Meryl Streep?

Blasty
03-24-2010, 11:11 AM
I think Nightmare 2 is very underrated. I just saw it again for the first time since I was like 8 last year, and I was pleasantly surprised by all the subtext and just how grimy and dirty it was, in every sense of the world. As well as some of the amazing visuals like all the stuff with the bus and how scary that is.

I really enjoyed the lead actor's performance in it as well. I think this is a case where a series takes kinda a left turn that is rather fascinating, even if it doesn't advance the story arc of the rest of the series. As a coming of age/stuck in the closet story I enjoy this one alot actually. Talk about wrestling with demons!

And LMAO at the Freddy line about wanting to "get inside him"! :lmao:

MrJeffery
03-24-2010, 12:14 PM
I think Nightmare 2 is very underrated. I just saw it again for the first time since I was like 8 last year, and I was pleasantly surprised by all the subtext and just how grimy and dirty it was, in every sense of the world. As well as some of the amazing visuals like all the stuff with the bus and how scary that is.

I really enjoyed the lead actor's performance in it as well. I think this is a case where a series takes kinda a left turn that is rather fascinating, even if it doesn't advance the story arc of the rest of the series. As a coming of age/stuck in the closet story I enjoy this one alot actually. Talk about wrestling with demons!

And LMAO at the Freddy line about wanting to "get inside him"! :lmao:

I saw it recently too! And was amazed at all the subtext. I used to be scared of the bus scene and of Freddy outside the kitchen window.

My favorites are 1, 3, & 4

Heather is particularly bad in Part 3 ... in fact, the over-the-top acting by everyone in that film is a lot of fun.

I feel like New Nightmare is interesting but overrated. 2, 5 (love the first half though) , Freddy's Dead, & Freddy Vs. Jason are duds imho.

Did anyone else have a crush as a child on Danny Hassel?

http://www.filmsite.org/fotos/nightmare4_5.jpg

OscarsFan 2.3
03-24-2010, 12:24 PM
Did anyone else have a crush as a child on Danny Hassel?

http://www.filmsite.org/fotos/nightmare4_5.jpg

I read somewhere he's a REAL douche bag in reality.

Blasty
03-24-2010, 12:32 PM
OMG Danny Hassel! I used to Lurve him!!!! And well....LMAO, er, I know I will be in the minority of one on this one LOL, but I really enjoyed the way Freddy dealt with him in Part 5, he kept injecting him with like wires from first his car and later his motorcycle and the like, electric juice of it flowing into him, "inflated" Danny till he got bigger and bigger :o LMAO YES, that's right, ME, Blasty, "enjoyed" watching a hunk get grown to immense size in a movie - Shocking, isn't it?

Plus, Freddy also force feeds that rich, snobby girl at the dinner table till she is like gonna explode in the same movie. Hmmm....are we sensing a theme here.....Suffice it to say, I think Part 5 is underrated as well! :D :blasty:

Mamma Roma
03-24-2010, 01:28 PM
I read somewhere he's a REAL douche bag in reality.

Yeah, but he's a hot douche bag! He's probably good in bed. :eek:

MrJeffery
03-25-2010, 12:11 AM
Yeah, but he's a hot douche bag! He's probably good in bed. :eek:

Hassel enlisted in the U.S. Army after the World Trade Center attacks on September 11, 2001.

I don't know about Danny 2000s but Danny '87, yes.

http://img.fdb.cz/obrazky/22b0b06cf0147bb20900c8837458e21e.jp g

MrJeffery
03-25-2010, 12:12 AM
OMG Danny Hassel! I used to Lurve him!!!! And well....LMAO, er, I know I will be in the minority of one on this one LOL, but I really enjoyed the way Freddy dealt with him in Part 5, he kept injecting him with like wires from first his car and later his motorcycle and the like, electric juice of it flowing into him, "inflated" Danny till he got bigger and bigger :o LMAO YES, that's right, ME, Blasty, "enjoyed" watching a hunk get grown to immense size in a movie - Shocking, isn't it?


you so crazy

i'm glad we get to briefly see him shirtless in the film ... but aghh wish there was more!!

McTeague
03-25-2010, 01:31 AM
LOL, this thread, like the saga itself, has developed to be just about naked hot people.

OscarsFan 2.3
03-25-2010, 07:59 AM
My main question regarding the opening post is like… how on Earth a film that gets a 5/5 grade from you fails to enter the Top 10 of its year? (see, the comment on The New Nightmare) LOL, do you often see more than ten 5/5 films per year? Some people need to adjust their standards :rolleyes: But of course, I guess The Lion King is in that 1994 Top 10 with another 5/5 grade.

I will admit, I am somewhat lenient on my ratings.

And also, Miko Hughes does affect a little of my feelings toward the film. It's still an excellent achievement from Craven, but his acting in several moments - even for a child actor - leave a lot to be desired.

OscarsFan 2.3
03-31-2010, 11:56 AM
Re-watching Freddy's Dead tonight, I don't think Robert was even trying with this one (except for maybe the last ten minutes).

ridley
04-01-2010, 12:44 AM
i think it was bad killing off Nancy in the third one (hence releaseing it to everyone) but was craven used that concept in new nightmare and it was ace.

it got a bit jokey to the end
i still love on the third one "welcome to primetime bi**h"

Andersson H.
04-01-2010, 04:16 AM
Re-watching Freddy's Dead tonight, I don't think Robert was even trying with this one (except for maybe the last ten minutes).


Did you seriously just put spoilers on a 20 yr old second tier horror movie? :sage:


And Freddy's Revenge is brilliant if you realize it's supposed to be retarded!:deal:

OscarsFan 2.3
04-29-2010, 05:15 PM
And Freddy's Revenge is brilliant if you realize it's supposed to be retarded!:deal:

I really don't think that's what they were going for on that one. Somewhere between then and now, it just kind of turned into a soap-like camp catastrophe.

On that note, I actually stumbled upon a very candid, revealing and even sad interview with Mark Patton (that actually made me feel a LITTLE bit bad about bashing the film just for his performance):

http://jeffcramer.blogspot.com/2010/04/very-candid-conversation-with-mark.html

MrJeffery
06-30-2010, 07:22 AM
Just to revive this thread, has anyone seen the amazing new doc Never Sleep Again? Very entertaining for Nightmare fans but an interesting look at studio politics as well. So great to see many of the old cast members!!

Here's my review here. (http://ow.ly/24UL3)

Never Sleep Again: The Elm Street Legacy is an enjoyable, very detailed documentary profiling all of the films in the Nightmare on Elm Street series as well as the cult "Freddy's Nightmares"TV spin-off. Because features on many of the Nightmare DVD's are thin, this documentary is a treat for Freddy fans. It's also a reminder that most of the films in this series are relatively low budget independents that scored significant box office based on their own ingenuity.

RRA
06-30-2010, 08:01 AM
Fascinating.